The last thing this country needs is a new Prime Minster

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I can’t believe what I’m hearing - we don’t need a new Prime Minster. Labour backbenchers have shown who they are. Their actions are going to affect the markets and possibly cause more damage to this country. Why can’t they focus on us - the public. Deeply dismayed that they are so out of touch with the public and are being self serving not thinking of the country’s interest.

Totally agree

Last thing need is political unrest and change of prime minister

Agree!

Bond yields are the highest they have been in decades. Not good, I suspect whoever comes next will just make it worse. I’m genuinely worried about the damage they are inflicting. We are going to need really big cuts at some point.

I voted Labour partly because I was so annoyed with the Conservatives cycling through PMs - we cannot have any more of this chaos.
Keir needs to hold on tight. People are angry with Labour, yes, but changing the party’s leader won’t help address any of the issues they’re concerned about.
Changing the PM will be destabilising, it will tarnish our country’s reputation internationally and it will waste precious time - the Government and MPs needs to focus on their real job. The bond markets want Keir to stay and so do I!

Can you tell me what they have done massively wrong? Have you even looked at the good things they have done? And can you really say that they are worse than the Tories were?

Do you SERIOUSLY believe that this Labour government has been BETTER than the last Tory one (which was a shambles)?

Everything from Winter Fuel Payments to Mandelson has been incompetence, and now it's total and utter chaos. I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. There are people from highly unstable and corrupt political regimes saying what they're seeing in the UK at the moment is what they used to get.

You seriously think that Starmer is worse than Boris and Partygate? Or Liz Truss and her lettuce?

You've been brain washed and yes I do actually think they are a lot better - how about the Employment Rights Act, making strides towards ending child poverty, animal welfare reforms, water regulation reforms, resetting the relationship with the EU and the fact that he's the most competent stateman we've had in years? No? Social media said he's horrible and so you just believe them?

Do I think Starmer has got everything right? No. Do I think the WFA proposals were needed, yes but the bar was set too low in cut off.

Well the newspapers wanted their scalp and it looks like Labour are giving to them, cue succession of worse and worse leaders trying to do Reform-lite until we get an early election and a victory for knee-jerk reactionaries.

If we change PMs now then they’ll be right. The only way we can appear stable is by letting Keir plough on.

Starmer is creating the chaos though. How can he bring stability when the Labour party is more fractured than it's ever been and he is the root cause.

They've tanked the economy but everyone who doesn't like them has been brainwashed by social media.

It's not even slightly possible that you've been brainwashed?

What's noticeable is that the country has leached so much money into private, and often foreign business hands, that it's completely in hock to the bond markets now, rendering them the shot callers.

You think that Starmer has tanked the economy solely by being incompetent? You don't think the global context has anything to do with the economy? No?

No, I'm not brain washed. I have many things that I'd like Labour to do better but the way some people go on you would think he was on par with Putin. He is dealing with a global crisis and trying to reverse 14 years of damage and I think he's doing a decent job.

You think that the Tories tanked the economy solely by being incompetent? You don't think the global context has anything to do with the economy? No?

FWIW I don't think Starmer - or Labour - has single-handedly tanked the economy. But they have certainly introduced some very short-sighted changes which have provably damaged growth prospects and the economic outlook. On balance, Labour have done more to actively harm the economy whereas the Tories were just useless at making it any better. Other than Brexit (which was obviously, famously not Tory policy) they didn't tend to be the cause of harm; they were just utterly helpless when harm happened, whether by Covid, Putin, globalisation, ageing population etc. But you can hardly claim the failing economy is not Labour's fault, but the lacklustre economy they inherited was definitely, absolutely 100% the fault of "14 years of damage" by the Tories - and nothing at all presumably to do with the economy they inherited from Labour! That is some extreme cherry-picking of data, and rather devalues your point.

Switching Starmer for Wes Streeting or Andy Burnham or any of the others won’t make it any better. Labour’s MPs need to stop tearing the party apart in pursuit of a magic answer that doesn’t exist.