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To want stability in this country and to be fed up of all the witch hunts

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Nickyknackered · 11/05/2026 18:16

So sick of the media and now everyone else constantly wanting political unrest.

Really since David Cameron its been a trend. Let's find dirt and oust the PM. They dont care what party it is, they just like gossip and resignation and arent happy until they get it. Then they start all over again....

I'm not saying i care about any particular one staying in power, i just want stability and honestly why would the good MPs want that job when theyve seen whay happens to you.

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PineappleSunrise · 12/05/2026 12:30

kerstina · 12/05/2026 11:06

It isn’t that simple though is it as we are at the mercy of global markets. So basically we need a PM who is good at damage limitation.

Especially post-Brexit. We may not be being “held back by the EU” now, but we’re also now a much smaller fish whose big patron has decided to start taking chunks out of us and anyone else allied to them. A bit of EU-style protection in numbers is looking pretty appealing these days.

Cheesipuff · 12/05/2026 12:54

Get the economy going - AAahh good idea why don't the politicians think of that - but how? We have a huge public service/ nhs that needs funded, then benefits to be paid, almost no manufacturing as it is all done in China, some financial and banking which does make money and some new AI / IT based stuff.

The Green energy deals which were going to bring jobs - hahah, put up a turbine then what - nothing, just money going to the land owner and the huge cost of buying in the turbines from China. Put up pv panels, bought from China - no jobs there once installed.
We are short of brickies, joiners etc but no training schemes.
Bricks imported from Pakistan apparently as it's cheaper than uk ones.
Rubbish infrastructure as no money to build stuff, everyone harder up so can't spend - yes, the economy is going to fly - I can't wait

Tryingtokeepgoing · 12/05/2026 13:26

kerstina · 12/05/2026 11:06

It isn’t that simple though is it as we are at the mercy of global markets. So basically we need a PM who is good at damage limitation.

Global markets haven’t resulted in the job losses and business / high street closures that have hit the U.K. - they are caused by a government policy of increasing the tax on employment.

The shortage of social housing, high rents and the increasing cost of housing benefit aren’t caused by global markets, they are caused by government policy.

The stagnation of the housing market, with the knock on effect on the retail and construction sectors aren’t the result of global markets. They are the result of a government policy of increasing the transaction costs to prohibitive levels.

The loss of jobs for the young is also not a result of global markets, but of government policy making employing young, inexperienced people too risky.

To the extent that mortgage and borrowing costs are high because of global markets, market sentiment is driven by government policy, belief in the governments plan and the control that the government has over its taxing and spending plans. So markets are just reacting to government policy.

To just blame markets is to misunderstand one of the key purposes of government IMO

Badbadbunny · 13/05/2026 12:10

Tryingtokeepgoing · 12/05/2026 13:26

Global markets haven’t resulted in the job losses and business / high street closures that have hit the U.K. - they are caused by a government policy of increasing the tax on employment.

The shortage of social housing, high rents and the increasing cost of housing benefit aren’t caused by global markets, they are caused by government policy.

The stagnation of the housing market, with the knock on effect on the retail and construction sectors aren’t the result of global markets. They are the result of a government policy of increasing the transaction costs to prohibitive levels.

The loss of jobs for the young is also not a result of global markets, but of government policy making employing young, inexperienced people too risky.

To the extent that mortgage and borrowing costs are high because of global markets, market sentiment is driven by government policy, belief in the governments plan and the control that the government has over its taxing and spending plans. So markets are just reacting to government policy.

To just blame markets is to misunderstand one of the key purposes of government IMO

Nail on the head. I agree with all those points.

It's a very lazy argument that the UK is just being swept along by international factors and that there's nothing we can do about it.

As you allude, the UK has actually damaged itself by stupid governmental decisions/policies over the past couple of years, and made the factors caused by global effects worse than they otherwise could have been.

It's not the time to hammer businesses and landlords when we need economic growth and more homes.

PineappleSunrise · 13/05/2026 15:48

Badbadbunny · 13/05/2026 12:10

Nail on the head. I agree with all those points.

It's a very lazy argument that the UK is just being swept along by international factors and that there's nothing we can do about it.

As you allude, the UK has actually damaged itself by stupid governmental decisions/policies over the past couple of years, and made the factors caused by global effects worse than they otherwise could have been.

It's not the time to hammer businesses and landlords when we need economic growth and more homes.

Again: landlord are not creating wealth, they extracting it from assets. If you are going to stand up for business, you should be angry at:

Brexit: we added a lot of friction to our import/exports and increased dependence on materials from even further afield than before. Then add -

The pandemic, which royally screwed supply chains and now the Ukraine/Gaza/Iran wars, which are further impacting energy, food and good prices, and -

The nonsensical IR35 decision 10 years ago that ended flexible labour for knowledge works and make businesses less agile and able to deal with market fluctuations

THEN you can talk about business taxes.

Honestly, you’re not being serious about the economy of your main concern is private landlords. They are not a priority compared to half a dozen other economic issues.

Badbadbunny · 13/05/2026 16:36

Lots of landlords don't just "buy" houses and rent them out. Lots buy up the run down ones, the auction ones, unmortgageable ones, semi derelict business premises, churches, etc and do them up to rent out, i.e. a combi mix of property development and landlords. If they decide it's not worth their effort, those "homes" don't become homes in the first place as most buyers won't be able to take on a development/renovation project.

kerstina · 14/05/2026 18:35

Well the results speak for themselves. I hope Keir rides it out but would be happy if Andy was able to be the leader eventually.

Pluto46 · 14/05/2026 18:41

Labour may as well not bother having a leader - they are totally ruled by the left wing back benchers so nothing economically sensible will ever get passed. Why bother with the middle man or (god forbid, woman, in their case)

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