To want stability in this country and to be fed up of all the witch hunts

[Nickyknackered]

So sick of the media and now everyone else constantly wanting political unrest.

Really since David Cameron its been a trend. Let's find dirt and oust the PM. They dont care what party it is, they just like gossip and resignation and arent happy until they get it. Then they start all over again....

I'm not saying i care about any particular one staying in power, i just want stability and honestly why would the good MPs want that job when theyve seen whay happens to you.

Generally I would agree but KS is a genuinely incredibly unpopular PM. He constantly changes his position, tries to support two sides at once and pisses both sides off.

no one know what he stands for or believes. And by extension they don’t know what the Labour Party stands for either.

The Labour’s party has bigger problems than
just KS. It’s a party that has abandoned its reason for existing ( the working class) and failed to find a new one ( Blair managed this but no one since has). But the undefineable blancmage that KS is does embody all their problems.

Cameron wasn’t PM in 2008/9. It was Gordon Brown. Cameron took over in 2010.

Holding people to account is not ‘witch hunting’. The media is reporting what has happened, not making shit up.

I don’t think the Labour party realise that changing the PM is not going to make them much more popular

this idea that Andy burnham is our saviour is just bizarre.

We are going to have this until the main issues in society are actually dealt with.

I'm rightwing and completely agree.

Starmer should stay put until the next election. There are no worthy replacement options.

It was ruinous for the country when the Tory party were playing musical chairs with PM's too.

Yep. Instead of discussing how to fix the mess we are in they are going to spend months infighting and then we’ll end up with a new PM who has no clue either

Listening to the radio and thinking why does that self interested prick Andy Burnham want my mortgage rates up AGAIN. I become eligible to remortgage this month. I'm a newly single parent with small children, one with disabling autism. Ambition just smells like uncertainty to me now, and that is exactly what the economy doesn't need.

'Timetable for his departure' my arse. Labour are putting themselves in the bin and the country in the hands of reform, deliberately, selfishly and knowingly.

FFS, fucking about already.

I agree. A commentator put it well yesterday. ‘No one feels the Labour government is on their side’

This is exactly their problem. They have implemented policies that have made things worse for so many people, as outlined above. They have a knack for pissing off both sides - for example stating they will cut welfare and then not doing it both pisses off those who don’t want changes to welfare budgets and those who do. They have managed to be equally reviled by Jews and their allies and pro-Palestinians. That’s quite a feat.

Their dalliance in identity politics claiming women have penises, men have cervixes and babies are born without a sex made them look dishonest, desperate and foolish. No one thought that even they actually believed this. That didn’t help. Then rolling back on this meant they have pissed off both women’s rights campaigners and trans activists. Again, quite the feat.

the Labour party's lack of courage to have a clear strategic vision and principles, and to be prepared to anger some to do what they think is in the country’s interests, has just lost them the respect of everyone.

No one feels Labour is on their side. And I don’t think the Labour’s party knows whose side they are on either.

That’s their problem.

Those on this thread claiming the Labour Party is just a victim of hard times and the media have got it wrong. The Labour Party have created a giant mess for themselves in addition to ruling in hard times with 24 hour media.

The problem is that Labour politicians are undisciplined. Even if Starmer wants to do something that might improve things, the left wing come howling out and block things. 🤷‍♀️

Now, there’s more of a financial mess.

They need a strong leader, and I’m not sure there is anyone better though.

Agree with most of you . The media is up to their usual tricks of brainwashing people. People need to wake the f up. It is a shame that the Labour MP’s are so powerful crazed and asleep too. Decent plodders with depth and integrity will never be considered good leaders. Instead we will get the Farage and Johnson’s. Gordon Brown was someone who would have been an excellent prime minister for longer than he was but of course the media destroyed any hope of that . Same with Ed Milliband.

Totally agree. I’m not Starmer’s biggest fan, but I think he’s doing a decent enough job overall, and I’ve actually been quite happy with how he’s handled foreign affairs, especially standing up to Trump when needed.

What worries me is that if he goes, Labour doesn’t really seem to have anyone particularly strong ready to step in. They could easily end up cycling through leader after leader the way the Tories did, each one weaker than the last. At some point you just have to let the man get on with the job he was elected to do.

And the MP on this morning was talking about the next election. It’s like they think their only job is to be elected and play party politics

This is exactly what John Major said here, reported on the BBC news.

Britain must not keep changing prime ministers, Sir John Major has warned in a broadside at those who treat politics as a "game show" while leaving big problems to the next generation.

It is like a continuous revolving door ever since Cameron and his giant fuck up. Due to the need for continuous sensational news headlines reported in a social media/reality tv manner 🤬

Half the back bench are like sixth formers scared their friends won't like them. They're not adult enough to hold their noses and do what needs done. They still don't get that they will never be invited to the weed and rainbow glitter parties because being an MP is a job for grown ups, not self-serving children. Maybe the worst offenders will fuck off to the Greens and 'Your Party' - snurk - and leave the sane people to govern the country.

That's a really good piece from someone able to look back and reflect. The loss of public service as a mindset is so obvious across society not just in politics. I do blame the Tories for starting the rot but he's right about the dangers of the career politician. Full of slogans and ambition but have never worked a hard day at anything.

I agree with a lot of this, but I also think that being reviled by both pro-Palestinians and pro-Bibi Jewish Britons is a bit of a good sign. That particular conflict is very binary, and its proponents absolutely believe if you’re not 100% with them you’re against them and are therefore trying to kill them/promiting genocide. You can’t really win without picking one “team” and dismissing the other.

Pissing them both off is actually quite positive in my view: the British government should not be fighting Isreal/Palastine by proxy on UK streets, and it needs to get on with stopping people from trying to do just that.

Yep me too. The media bay for news stories. Not everything is a bloody news story. Sometimes it’s just about getting a job done. Imagine if Churchill had had to deal with this during the war? Bloody ridiculous!

It's the football-isation (made up word) of politics. If the manager hasn't won the league in five matches, get rid of him. And everyone's picked their team for better or worse.
I'm not sure who Farage is in this analogy...Harry Redknap perhaps..

The noise about Government cronyism, corruption, incompetence, along with dissatisfaction around immigration and the cost of living would all be just that - noise - if the Government would focus on one thing: Growing the economy and making people better off. If the average voter has more money and feels better off then, generally, they feel happier. And, surprise surprise, if the economy is growing there's higher tax revenue and more money for the government to spend without increasing taxes. Compound that by people being more willing to swallow higher taxes if they still feel better off and there's even more money to spend on public services. It really is that simple :)

It isn’t that simple though is it as we are at the mercy of global markets. So basically we need a PM who is good at damage limitation.

Nail on the head. It's ALL about the economy and growth. Get the economy growing, thus increasing GDP, thus reducing unemployment, and you raise tax revenue AND reduce benefit spending. Yet Labour hate business and nearly everything they've done so far has been anti-business, anti-landlords. It's just simplistic sixth form standard politics of envy. We'll not grow the economy by increasing benefits and public spending. Such increasing have to come after growing the economy.

I agree with the OP.

Not just PM's either. The media want to cause trouble and division throughout Parliament.

Look at how they hounded Tim Farron for having Christian beliefs when he was leader of the Lib Dems.

Look at how they ridiculed Phil Hammond when he was Chancellor, calling him "Spreadsheet Phil" because he actually wanted to understand the detail - which is exactly the kind of Chancellor we need rather than grifters like Rachel.

Never Voted Tory in my life but I did like Phil Hammond. He just seemed a really decent guy.

You don’t really regard private landlords as “business,” do you? They’re just asset holders collecting rent, and arguably part of the housing price problem.

The biggest barely-discussed hit to “business” happened quietly around 10 years ago, when the IR35 rules around “concealed employment” came in for knowledge workers and basically ripped the guts out of freelancing. There are many, many organisations who benefit from supplementing their perm staff with contractors on a project basis, and many experienced workers who would rather be their own Ltds than employees, but they’ve basically been quashed. It’s had a dreadful impact on organisational agility, but you hear more complaints about renters’ rights on private landlord than you do about the end of 1-person Ltds.