To want stability in this country and to be fed up of all the witch hunts

[Nickyknackered]

So sick of the media and now everyone else constantly wanting political unrest.

Really since David Cameron its been a trend. Let's find dirt and oust the PM. They dont care what party it is, they just like gossip and resignation and arent happy until they get it. Then they start all over again....

I'm not saying i care about any particular one staying in power, i just want stability and honestly why would the good MPs want that job when theyve seen whay happens to you.

But they haven't been slow and steady. They've been relatively fast with bringing in new policies that have made people worse off.

Increased business rates have made businesses shut.
Increased NI and other worker "protections" have meant businesses stop hiring.
Changes to renter laws have meant landlords are selling up en masse, so people get evicted.
VAT on school fees, whether or not you're a fan, got rushed in halfway through an academic year.

They haven't been slow and steady. They've been charging round frantically trampling over everything

They've been the opposite of slow and steady. It's been rushed-out policies followed by hurried U-turns. Take the winter fuel allowance for example.

I completely agree. It doesn't do any good to keep changing PM's. As a country we need stability.
Also be careful what you wish for. There is no saying whoever becomes the next PM will be any good either. So do we then start again, and again, and again?

Yes they started poorly - the constant negativity created an environment that was just getting worse and worse for them and then the first budget was terrible.

in reality, their pledge not to increase the big 3 taxes tied their hands and they’ve been scrabbling ever since. The problem with the other taxes they’re tinkering with is that they create much more friction

we don’t just pay for things through taxes - a healthy economy and growth is needed. But growth in the west has stalled and employers don’t want to be here in the numbers needed. So we are in a doom loop where less and less taxpayers are expected to pay for more and more as the debt goes up and up

The problems in our country are deep seated. A huge proportion of them are driven by factors beyond the government's control - global events & foreign economies.

We have to recognise:

• the issues won't go away overnight. It will take years of consistent policies.
• it will hurt. The economy isn't growing. There are relatively few levers the government can actually pull to reduce spending and when they try to, no one is happy.

Everyone just wants someone else to pay more tax. Companies. The rich. Believe it or not most British companies are not rolling in profits.

Right sizing the budget to match the poorer country we've become will be painful but if we don't do it the future will only be worse.

Even in countries which appear to be doing better (US etc) aren't actually doing all that well. The growth in the US is very driven by AI and there's some sense of a bubble there.

Economic growth is often driven by population growth. More people, more customers to make stuff, buy stuff, provide services. As population growth slows we have to move away from relying on growth to ensure people feel like they are getting better off.

Yes, not sure what’s so hard to understand about what people want. If you deliver the exact opposite and then bleat about being held to account, then you’re stupid.

No, our problems are driven entirely by the political class and Labour and Tory governments of the last 29 years.

Sky high immigration, massive welfare, no understanding or will for economic growth.

Tories and Labour deserve to be wiped out as national political parties. The job is done with the Tories. Labour, next.

agree OP, the media are absolutely insane on this. They just endlessly feed the drama because it keeps their wheels turning.

as for the Labour MPs, I'm genuinely head in hands that they watched the shit show of the previous governments infighting, briefings and counter briefings and merry go round of prime ministers and thought "yes that's exactly what we should be emulating" 🤦🏻‍♀️

They need a strong leader who tells the backbenchers they must tow the line - the incoming prospective leaders aren’t impressive

Blaming the governments of the last 30 years ignores the economic reality of the world we are in - the west is in decline and we need a government who recognises that rather than promising a golden future.

Agreed. Hence my growing contempt for our electorate. They can't join the dots, they lack the imagination to understand how much worse things can get. Then when it all happens exactly as predicted, we will get our own version of the 'Leopards won't eat MY face memes'. And then when they realise their faces have now been ripped off, by a racist grifter with rich mates, they will point the finger at ANYONE rather than look in the mirror and say, 'I did this. I voted for the leopards who ripped my face off. This was my choice.'

Having contempt for the electorate is exactly why the two main parties find themselves in this position

Just wait till Rayner gets in power, she’ll last like Liz Truss and be out within a few weeks.

Yes it will indeed be a disaster. Not just here, where we have a decent human being as a prime minister but across the world.

Russia has been linked to Trump and Farage repeatedly. Starmer has been very strong on the international stage defending Ukraine's sovereignty. Who stands to gain most from the loss of Starmer? Vlad is laughing at our dull-witted population and our 'free' media spunking that freedom up the wall.

I agree. Ridiculous to expect things turned around so quickly. Those who want him/labour out will be disappointed that deform will make life far far worse for the average person

Nah, Liz Truss was an intellectual giant, comparatively.

And to be fair, Liz Truss had the right diagnosis that supply side reforms would fix the economy. But she went about it the wrong way.

Rayner, on the other hand, reportedly got blind drunk in the House of Commons last week, crashed into a door and damaged parliament property.

My friend, no one has more contempt for our population than the twin grifters on the far right and the far left. They're both offering their own version of a fairy tale, only the Reform lot's version has fewer brown people than the Green's version.

The constant daily drip of negativity from the press is something else, Starmer has been targeted from the start, or before.

Labour are so stupid to want to oust someone who's been prime minister for less than 2 years as the next cry from the right wing press when a new leader steps in is "he/she hasn't a mandate and should call a GE"

I feel so concerned about the direction the country is heading, if I had dual citizenship, which I don't I would seriously consider leaving if Farage became PM. Honestly have people learned nothing from history (ww2) and how grifters like NF rise to power when people become poorer and disillusioned with the state of their country.

Don’t disagree - but they’ve tapped into the way the main parties make them feel and are exploiting that

Agree. Give the man enough time to get the job done

It's mob politics and I am really disappointed in the labour MPs calling for his resignation

Gordon Brown was PM during the 2008 financial crash, not David Cameron.

@Kingdomofsleep Well I asked AI ( yes, I know, but it's broadly correct I think.)

' Has the pace of change under labour been fast?'

The answer was that some people think it has been too slow and that is the main reason for discontent now. So apparently not 'rushed' and 'hurried' as you feel describes this government.

Therefore I repeat the assertion that people are fuelled by excitement and febrile activity compared to the slow, considered 'boring' maturity that Starmer generally displays and which is essential for the stability of our country.

Labour are so stupid to want to oust someone who's been prime minister for less than 2 years as the next cry from the right wing press when a new leader steps in is "he/she hasn't a mandate and should call a GE"

Exactly this. The Labour MPs baying for husband resignation are being spectacularly naive

Ride it out and give him a chance

For the first twenty years of my life we had four PMs.

In the last four years we've had four.

It doesn't matter what your political persuasion is, we can't keep changing PMs at an effective rate of one a year.

That is what will crash our economy and make us a laughing stock on the world stage.