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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:00

Plugg · 11/05/2026 16:58

Most working parents work full time. It’s totally shameless to take government money to skive proper work until your kid is 3. And yes, it’s disgusting that the government allows it.

Its hardly disgusting. Or shameless.

MidnightMeltdown · 11/05/2026 17:01

More people should complain to businesses who offer discounts to people who don’t work. It’s disgraceful how much this country penalises people for working and trying to do the right thing.

monday1983 · 11/05/2026 17:01

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 14:53

Don't forget that if you have a mortgage you are buying an asset. In 20 or 30 years time you will be immensely better off that someone who rents for life.

Not always i paid nearly 300k for my 'asset' now the government decided it worth 0k as apparently is not safe so basically i threw away 300k,but will government help me? Oh no as apparently i don quality for anything. Meanwhile people who can't be arsto work one day in their life have everything for free...

Cocktailglass · 11/05/2026 17:01

I've seen the articles which claim that if on benefits with young children and PIP then the income can be pretty generous as no tax and lots of extra like rent paid, FSMs, vouchers etc.

What I don't get is eg a couple, one gets PIP and the other gets carer's allowance but also a carer for DC who get DLA. Just some cases I've read about. If a whole family is on UC with extra disability pay it does seem to all add up.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:02

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

YANBU of course but the usual lot will show up to say you’re goady, how there are starving children (where?) and so on,

UC will not make you rich as single adult, but through personal experience I find there are many adults who are happy to live a non-demanding, non-working life albeit one which isn’t the lap of luxury. They see being a little bit skint preferable to working. The % of healthy adults claiming and not working is actually insane. Many top up through crime, or steal. Always money to spend on alcohol and drugs in many cases. The rest are happy to just watch Netflix all day - lifelong entertainment is now relatively cheap.

If you have kids, particularly one with a ‘disability’ (and this can mean anything from a severe mental and physical difficulty, to ADHD, and everything in between), then yep, very generous and you really won’t earn any more by working. I know MANY families who have 2, 3 or even 4 children all on DLA, parent claiming UC, carers, PIP for themselves and the amount they get is absolutely insane and a total piss take to the working public.

And before anyone comes at me with the ‘would you swap money for a disabled child’ that’s so ludicrous and nonsensical I’m not even going to address it.

We urgently need a nationwide, non-exempt benefits cap of 30k. That in itself is a very generous amount compared with the vast majority of the world. And no unemployment benefits for the under 25s, who get hooked on a life of welfare and early on become completely unemployable by lying in bed all day and embedding laziness and MH problems from having no routine and getting up to no good all the time.

Those 2 measures would completely transform life in the UK but nobody has the balls to do it.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:02

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:00

Its hardly disgusting. Or shameless.

You can't win on here. If you worked full time, you would get childcare also funded by the taxpayer, and they would still bitch about it.

What they really mean, is that people on low wage/benefits should not be having kids at all. It will come out... it always does on thread like these.

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:03

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:02

You can't win on here. If you worked full time, you would get childcare also funded by the taxpayer, and they would still bitch about it.

What they really mean, is that people on low wage/benefits should not be having kids at all. It will come out... it always does on thread like these.

Aye i know. Waste of time.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:03

Cocktailglass · 11/05/2026 17:01

I've seen the articles which claim that if on benefits with young children and PIP then the income can be pretty generous as no tax and lots of extra like rent paid, FSMs, vouchers etc.

What I don't get is eg a couple, one gets PIP and the other gets carer's allowance but also a carer for DC who get DLA. Just some cases I've read about. If a whole family is on UC with extra disability pay it does seem to all add up.

Of course it adds up. It’s costing a fortune. I don’t believe all these people are too disabled to work but can date, have children (which is massively taxing emotionally and physically), care for someone else while needing a carer themselves.

If you believe that, you were born yesterday.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:05

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:03

Of course it adds up. It’s costing a fortune. I don’t believe all these people are too disabled to work but can date, have children (which is massively taxing emotionally and physically), care for someone else while needing a carer themselves.

If you believe that, you were born yesterday.

Anyone can become disabled at any time.

Dating is totally different to holding down a job.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:05

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:03

Aye i know. Waste of time.

Why should people on benefits have children? I’m not saying it’s a legislative matter but can you make 1 good argument why somebody too disabled to look after themselves or work and needs state financing, is somehow well enough to have children which is FAR harder and more emotionally/physically/mentally draining than working?

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:06

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:00

Its hardly disgusting. Or shameless.

People choosing to work less and taking money from the government to enable them to do so is indeed disgusting and shameless.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:06

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:05

Anyone can become disabled at any time.

Dating is totally different to holding down a job.

It’s more fun, so of course they can manage it.

It’s only ever, ever work that they can’t do. Anything else? No problem.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:06

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:06

It’s more fun, so of course they can manage it.

It’s only ever, ever work that they can’t do. Anything else? No problem.

So disabled people who date are taking the piss?

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:06

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:05

Why should people on benefits have children? I’m not saying it’s a legislative matter but can you make 1 good argument why somebody too disabled to look after themselves or work and needs state financing, is somehow well enough to have children which is FAR harder and more emotionally/physically/mentally draining than working?

I do work. Ive always worked.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:07

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:06

People choosing to work less and taking money from the government to enable them to do so is indeed disgusting and shameless.

I can’t get worked up about someone keeping themselves below the cliff edge at this point. With millions of people claimants benefits and not working at all, why spend the extra energy working for no financial gain for the tax to fund shysters? No thanks.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:07

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:06

People choosing to work less and taking money from the government to enable them to do so is indeed disgusting and shameless.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/05/2026 17:07

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 17:00

pushed four kids out
freebies
free money
scroungers

Just listen to yourself.

Some of this is unpleasant but COL is affecting everyone and not everybody has access to financial help.

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:07

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:07

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Personal responsibility doesn’t exist does it?

Gymnopedie · 11/05/2026 17:08

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 15:39

Right. So you'd prefer people on limited incomes to be excluded then. Got it. How do you feel about being ineligible for concessions for pensioners?

So you're saying that people on low incomes because they're on benefits shouldn't be excluded. Fair enough.

But you think it's OK for families where the adults work, don't get benefits but have to count every penny not to be able to go?

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:08

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:06

People choosing to work less and taking money from the government to enable them to do so is indeed disgusting and shameless.

Its really not.. like i said ill be upping to 30 when youngest is 3. I can do what i want and will enjoy my kids. Will not miss out on anything.

OonaStubbs · 11/05/2026 17:08

People need to upskill to enable to them to earn a good income and contribute to society, instead of expecting a middle-class living from working-class (if that) skills.

People should not be content to do the bare minimum and expect the government (ie, other working people) to "top up the difference".

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:08

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:02

You can't win on here. If you worked full time, you would get childcare also funded by the taxpayer, and they would still bitch about it.

What they really mean, is that people on low wage/benefits should not be having kids at all. It will come out... it always does on thread like these.

I have no qualms whatsoever about people on a low full time income getting help with the cost of childcare. Look at Scandinavia. People get childcare for about £100 a month because the government see it as vital that people work to contribute to society and taxes. Childcare is a part of that. Lazing around all day is not an option.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 17:09

Wynter25 · 11/05/2026 17:08

Its really not.. like i said ill be upping to 30 when youngest is 3. I can do what i want and will enjoy my kids. Will not miss out on anything.

How are you funding this?

Walkyrie · 11/05/2026 17:09

Those that don’t want to quit and live off benefits have pride and a willingness to give back to society. Those that choose to work 16 hours only are shameless, IMO.

Yeah 16 hours plus benefits is piss taking category. I’d be ashamed.

Perrygreen · 11/05/2026 17:09

monty tax credits have gone. I believe that the last people were moved over to universal credit last month.

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