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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

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XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:18

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 09:13

At a private nursery and this was pre the paid childcare days. I hated every minute and the resentment was one of the many nails in the coffin of my marriage, my husband earnt a lot less than me and had very little opportunity to progress. The only saving grace is that I was building up a decent teacher's pension in those years.

But l'll never get those years back and it sticks in the craw rather when others think it's ok to do the bare minimum while others support them through welfare!

Fair enough.
Although the single mum on benefits posting on here works 16 hours, which is 16 hours more than she needs to for UC... yet a few posters are piling on to her.

Wynter25 · 12/05/2026 09:18

Plugg · 12/05/2026 09:17

I don’t resent paying tax. I resent it being used being paid to people who could work more to support themselves more but can’t be arsed. That’s what everyone which a brain resents.

Youre just getting arsey now. No need.

x2boys · 12/05/2026 09:20

Kirbert2 · 12/05/2026 07:43

It's only that cheap if you actually live in London. Travel costs are expensive and price a lot of people out anyway, even with cheaper UC tickets.

These cheaper UC tickets have nothing to do with the government anyway.

Exactly i iive nowhere near London
The cost of travrel ,accomadation ,food etc far outweighs ,the £1 entrance fee.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:23

x2boys · 12/05/2026 09:20

Exactly i iive nowhere near London
The cost of travrel ,accomadation ,food etc far outweighs ,the £1 entrance fee.

Same here. It would be totally useless for me.

angelos02 · 12/05/2026 09:27

The default should be self-reliance. Not relying on other working people's money. Unless you are disabled obviously.

SproutingBee · 12/05/2026 09:33

Stoptheworldiwanttogetoff · 11/05/2026 16:56

But the point is that people on limited incomes are excluded from these attractions. We are in a household with both parents working, one FT and one PT to work around childcare. We don’t qualify for UC as are just over the buffer amount for it. We can’t afford to go to attractions that might be £25 per ticket but aren’t eligible for the discounted tickets. Yet someone who has never worked a day in their life but pushed 4 kids out can go on a lovely day out for a fiver. It’s a piss take and it’s all the extra freebies, on top of their free money, that these scroungers get that is winding people up.

Quit your job and go on UC. Then you can get the discounted tickets?

Everyone moaning about children living in poverty being given an opportunity to learn should do the same. You sound spiteful and jealous.

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 12/05/2026 09:33

Wynter25 · 12/05/2026 09:18

Youre just getting arsey now. No need.

Not arsey they are completely right.

I don’t resent paying tax at all. I don’t resent any disabled person getting the support they need, don’t resent anyone who is getting topped up working full time, those who are actively looking and taking as many as hours as they can. I don’t resent support for anyone who needs it. I do resent supporting those who can work more who are choosing not to in order to get the maximum benefits they can.

I also resent the families with a large number of children with only one working parent are now going to be better off than my household with two working parents. Why should the government pay for someone to sit at home all when they could be contributing to society like the rest of us have to instead of popping out child after child that they can’t fund.

Swonderful · 12/05/2026 09:34

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 14:58

I wonder about the future of the triple lock on pensions in relation to the income tax personal allowance.
It makes no sense for the standard state pension to be higher than the personal allowance - so the pensioners are paid pension by the state, some of which they then pay back to the state in income tax.

I hear that UK state pensions are still much lower than in Europe (hence the reason for the triple lock staying) - do these countries have a much higher personal allowance also, or do they do tax calculations completely differently?

Genuinely interested if anyone knows.

This is a bit if a myth. UK state pension is lower yes, but pensions are similar once you include workplace pensions.

Other countries have a different system where the state pension is earnings related - many people only have this.

In the UK the government and employers heavily subsidise workplace pensions - contributions are tax free and employers have to contribute.

If you add together our workplace pensions with the state pension we're similar to other countries.

Springleaves26 · 12/05/2026 09:36

boomshakalakawoo · 12/05/2026 08:43

Hopefully the kids on benefits are learning that they aren’t worthless, and deserve good things despite having no money.

I’m originally from a less developed country where the gap between rich and poor is incredibly stark. I think poorer children deserve nice experiences despite their parents’ lack of privilege, don’t you think? The UK is a much better place for people without economic privilege, and I think that’s something to be proud of. But clearly your politics do not align with mine.

I agree and agree in the principle of the welfare state, I don’t want any child to go without but neither should the children of those not on benefits. Also most people may be in favour of the welfare state but not communism, which is what it feels like for many with children at present. They may as well have not worked hard to build up their career and earn more as get taxed down to the same level as someone on UC with all there top ups if you have children, so may as well have just dossed around through their youth as could just pick up a minimum wage job now and be on the same

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 09:36

Springleaves26 · 12/05/2026 06:40

I must admit the £1 days out UC tickets is annoying considering as a household not entitled to any benefits we can never afford to go to these sort of places. It’s not that I resent everything families on UC get in principle, it’s the fact that families not on UC are all assumed to be ‘rich/broad shouldered’’ by the government when in fact we often have no more disposable income left than families on UC. Although that’s our own fault for having mortgages according to some on MN, Supposedly don’t deserve to have that and the same standard of living as a bonus for earning your living yourself. (Even though in many cases housing assets end up paying for care home fees)
I’ve always been very pro welfare state and left leaning but even I’m starting to get annoyed at the unfairness of it. The well meaning quirks in the system such as having all child maintenance disregarded literally mean you can be eligible for maximum benefits while receiving £700 a week in maintenance but parents on much lower incomes or if the parents were together they would not be eligible for anything making the resident parent much better off alone. Other quirks, for example someone with a military pension gets that 100% deducted from their entitlement, so a single mother who is a 45 year old veteran is not allowed to keep a penny of the pension she’s earned risking her life defending our country through her life, even to help support her children but if you’ve got a high earning ex you get to keep 100% of it 🤷🏻‍♀️ Labour seems genuinely oblivious to the fact that what they say about ‘needing all our money to tackle child poverty’ does not add up with the lifestyles people are seeing their neighbours and relatives living. It doesn’t help that the tax system is also riddled with other unfair quirks which Labour have done nothing to address, for example the tories were planning to make child benefit eligibility based on household income but Labour scrapped this idea. If I was on benefits (as I have been) I wouldn’t feel they were doing me any favours to be honest, due to the justified resentment

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Well said.

Error404FucksNotFound · 12/05/2026 09:37

People talk about how its not fair and people who earn 90 grand are less well off than people on uc (somehow. Apparently)

So many posts about how welfare is too generous, and work doesnt pay, and i would love to know what people think life should be like if you claim uc.

What should life look like for people on benefits? Should they be skipping meals? Not be able to afford clothes? No treats for their children? How basic is basic enough? what should a family's life be like?

I personally don't think benefits are generous. I have been unemployed in the past and found it so humiliating and dehumanising. I was so embarrassed about signing on and I felt so small going to the post office to cash my giro and when I got my first job I was so happy and really proud. But benefits were a life saver and I am so grateful there is support available.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:38

NoUsernameAvailableAgain · 12/05/2026 09:33

Not arsey they are completely right.

I don’t resent paying tax at all. I don’t resent any disabled person getting the support they need, don’t resent anyone who is getting topped up working full time, those who are actively looking and taking as many as hours as they can. I don’t resent support for anyone who needs it. I do resent supporting those who can work more who are choosing not to in order to get the maximum benefits they can.

I also resent the families with a large number of children with only one working parent are now going to be better off than my household with two working parents. Why should the government pay for someone to sit at home all when they could be contributing to society like the rest of us have to instead of popping out child after child that they can’t fund.

PP is working 16 hours, and would get the same UC if she worked more hours anyway. She does not have to work at all because she has a small child. So she is already doing more than the minimum anyway.
And if she worked more, your tax would still be paying her benefits plus childcare.

I think it sad that it is considered the norm now to dump your small kids in a nursery. You will never get those years back.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 09:38

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:38

PP is working 16 hours, and would get the same UC if she worked more hours anyway. She does not have to work at all because she has a small child. So she is already doing more than the minimum anyway.
And if she worked more, your tax would still be paying her benefits plus childcare.

I think it sad that it is considered the norm now to dump your small kids in a nursery. You will never get those years back.

And what do you suppose those of us who have a rent, or mortgage to pay do with children then?

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:39

Springleaves26 · 12/05/2026 09:36

I agree and agree in the principle of the welfare state, I don’t want any child to go without but neither should the children of those not on benefits. Also most people may be in favour of the welfare state but not communism, which is what it feels like for many with children at present. They may as well have not worked hard to build up their career and earn more as get taxed down to the same level as someone on UC with all there top ups if you have children, so may as well have just dossed around through their youth as could just pick up a minimum wage job now and be on the same

The people in NMW jobs are often doing vital work and society would come to a stand still without them.
Can we stop this snobbery about low paid work?

angelos02 · 12/05/2026 09:40

Springleaves26 · 12/05/2026 09:36

I agree and agree in the principle of the welfare state, I don’t want any child to go without but neither should the children of those not on benefits. Also most people may be in favour of the welfare state but not communism, which is what it feels like for many with children at present. They may as well have not worked hard to build up their career and earn more as get taxed down to the same level as someone on UC with all there top ups if you have children, so may as well have just dossed around through their youth as could just pick up a minimum wage job now and be on the same

Absolutely this. I'm sure some people want workers and non-workers to have quite similar lifestyles when in fact the gap should be huge. It is far more narrow now than 30 years ago IMO. What is wrong with high earners having much more spare money for better trips out/better holidays etc for their children than those that don't work or don't earn much? It is madness and people are seeing through it and if it isn't resolved, the system will collapse as it won't be worthwhile making an effort.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:41

GimmieABreakOr3 · 12/05/2026 09:38

And what do you suppose those of us who have a rent, or mortgage to pay do with children then?

Well, I don't agree with the sentiment, and there are issues with the declining birth rate... but don't have kids if you can't afford them.

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 09:41

Wynter25 · 12/05/2026 09:17

If i could work more i would but cant.

Of course you can. You're responding to the lady that did it, remember! I went back when both of them were 20 weeks.

MaturingCheeseball · 12/05/2026 09:41

It’s now been exposed that people who come to this country from places where polygamy is legal can have multiple wives on benefits! I know this already happens informally, but actually accepting it legally is ridiculous when if you or I take a second spouse we’d be prosecuted.

The whole system is so messed up that I honestly think a flat below minimum wage UBI might be a good idea, with some sort of qualifying national service in order to staff care homes.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:43

MaturingCheeseball · 12/05/2026 09:41

It’s now been exposed that people who come to this country from places where polygamy is legal can have multiple wives on benefits! I know this already happens informally, but actually accepting it legally is ridiculous when if you or I take a second spouse we’d be prosecuted.

The whole system is so messed up that I honestly think a flat below minimum wage UBI might be a good idea, with some sort of qualifying national service in order to staff care homes.

That sounds mad. Do you have a link about this?
How would that work with UC and joint claims? Would be interesting to see.

angelos02 · 12/05/2026 09:43

MaturingCheeseball · 12/05/2026 09:41

It’s now been exposed that people who come to this country from places where polygamy is legal can have multiple wives on benefits! I know this already happens informally, but actually accepting it legally is ridiculous when if you or I take a second spouse we’d be prosecuted.

The whole system is so messed up that I honestly think a flat below minimum wage UBI might be a good idea, with some sort of qualifying national service in order to staff care homes.

Eh? I thought polygamy is illegal in the UK? Doesn't matter whether it was legal where you came from.

Springleaves26 · 12/05/2026 09:47

SproutingBee · 12/05/2026 09:33

Quit your job and go on UC. Then you can get the discounted tickets?

Everyone moaning about children living in poverty being given an opportunity to learn should do the same. You sound spiteful and jealous.

No the poster is just going to vote with their feet at the next election. Why on earth should they have to quit their job and take a lower paid one or split up with their partner just so their children can have such opportunities. What a ridiculous thing to say. Thank goodness when I needed benefits people didn’t do that else there would of been no money to pay for them

Spiffingdarling88 · 12/05/2026 09:47

I must be doing something wrong, I barely get to the end of the month and haven't had a holiday since 2019.

I will never own a property, have savings or self worth because I have a disability. I throw up several times a day and need TPN and have heart failure.

I feel I am failing my children as we can't afford to actually go out and im very limited where I can go.

I can't get credit cards, loans or anything else as I am not employed. My children's only saving grace is they spend alot of time studying at home and know the worth of education. I am hoping they remain healthy and driven.

If they are so generous, why not give it all up and life like those on benefits?

Plugg · 12/05/2026 09:50

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:39

The people in NMW jobs are often doing vital work and society would come to a stand still without them.
Can we stop this snobbery about low paid work?

Nobody is snobby about people working NMW jobs. It’s vital that everyone works full time to protect the economy and funds public services. High wage or low wage, those working full time are to be lauded.

XenoBitch · 12/05/2026 09:53

Plugg · 12/05/2026 09:50

Nobody is snobby about people working NMW jobs. It’s vital that everyone works full time to protect the economy and funds public services. High wage or low wage, those working full time are to be lauded.

I just don't subscribe to the idea that anything other than full time work is a "hobby job", or not classed as a job at all.
There are many reasons that someone can only work part time.

BeFluentTraybake · 12/05/2026 09:53

TheSnootiestFox · 12/05/2026 09:41

Of course you can. You're responding to the lady that did it, remember! I went back when both of them were 20 weeks.

Cute you prioritised the economy and your career over your kids, most of us realise that isnt natural ❤️

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