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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

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Fluffybuns88 · 11/05/2026 18:06

OonaStubbs · 11/05/2026 17:48

So why is our economy so shit right now? How can it benefit the economy to have people better off not working than they would be working?

Because we've had years of crap welfare.
When people have money they spend it, spending money creates jobs, having money to buy fresh food has better health outcomes, it makes childcare affordable, gives disabled people access to treatments that aren't availabile on the NHS.

For example the recent shake up of the motability scheme, it was branded as a waste of money when in reality before the cuts it generated £773 million in tax revenue for the economy and suppoted 34,000 UK jobs. Overall the scheme generates £4.3 billion plus to the GDP and over 20% of users of the scheme reported better job opportunities therefore creating even more tax revenue.

Maybe people see the money out vs the money in, it's like investing, you have to spend money to see the return.

ForPinkCrab · 11/05/2026 18:06

The whole system is wrong and open to abuse , someone who I won’t mention in my family is married to a guy whose whole family own a business but pay themselves just below the earnings threshold for UC so they can claim it and the rest goes back into the business. The whole family are on it , plus a couple are on PIP ,social housing and nice cars on motability . She gets her shopping delivered from Waitrose and spends a fortune on nice food etc . All above board apparently , they just know how to work the system 😡
Where hubby and me are both working ,mortgage ,always look out for bargains and work really hard , I’ve got a 15 year old car and husband has a company car , we aren’t bad off by any stretch but it makes me mad when I see benefits being handed out like this

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:07

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:05

Explain your logic on this one please?
If you work and contribute tax, you have no write to judge people who don't work and pay tax because you might not be a net contributer?
That one confounds me.

Because your still taking more out then you are putting in so how are you paying people's benefits if you can't even cover your own costs.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:07

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:05

Explain your logic on this one please?
If you work and contribute tax, you have no write to judge people who don't work and pay tax because you might not be a net contributer?
That one confounds me.

I know what @youalright means.
Often on these threads, you get some very vocal people bashing benefit claimants and you discover they are SAHP or on what is considered less then the net contributor salary (£41k I think... am happy to be corrected).

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:08

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:05

6% of not much is still not much.

Agreed. Six per cent of my DH's NWM job is just a few quid.
Only he didn't get six per cent, just two.

monday1983 · 11/05/2026 18:10

Skinnysaluki · 11/05/2026 17:53

There’s nothing stopping you

I have the asset so i am not entitled too.

BigAnne · 11/05/2026 18:13

Froschlegs · 11/05/2026 16:11

How can you claim if you’re on 40K?? Madness

If you earn 40k with one child you're not entitled to UC. Not sure about housing benefit if renting.

Enigma54 · 11/05/2026 18:13

BillieWiper · 11/05/2026 14:55

The welfare that I'm on isn't remotely generous. It's barely enough to exist on. Being chronically disabled is really expensive but able people don't believe or want to see that.

Edited

Agree wholeheartedly.

Try being forced to take ill health retirement, due to incurable cancer and live on the pittance that ESA and PIP is.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:15

Enigma54 · 11/05/2026 18:13

Agree wholeheartedly.

Try being forced to take ill health retirement, due to incurable cancer and live on the pittance that ESA and PIP is.

But... but... you can get into a zoo for £1. FFS.
I will only pay £1 to get into a zoo, but it would cost me over £100 in train fair to get there.

NothinLeftToTax · 11/05/2026 18:15

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:01

I hope the people on this thread moaning about people on benefits are the less then 50% of the uk that are actually net contributors otherwise you really don't have a leg to stand on. If you are on a low or mid wage even if not on benefits you're taking out a lot more then you are putting in.

I absolutely love it when people come out with this tired old drivel! Always at least one on every thread.
If I am not a net contributor and will in theory take more than I pay in I should be quiet and have nothing to say about the (plentiful) taxes I pay? Are only the 'net contributors' worthy of an opinion? At least I am paying into the system which is propping up those that only take from the system. If everyone that is considered not to be a net contributor stopped paying any taxes at all see how long the countries generous welfare system lasts 🙄

Fluffybuns88 · 11/05/2026 18:15

You can work on LCWRA and it's £400 which is deductible the same as any other element.

The "non work commitments" category covers LCWRA, parents of young children and carers, it doesn't mean they don't work.

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:17

Enigma54 · 11/05/2026 18:13

Agree wholeheartedly.

Try being forced to take ill health retirement, due to incurable cancer and live on the pittance that ESA and PIP is.

Critical illness insurance? Income protection insurance?

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:18

NothinLeftToTax · 11/05/2026 18:15

I absolutely love it when people come out with this tired old drivel! Always at least one on every thread.
If I am not a net contributor and will in theory take more than I pay in I should be quiet and have nothing to say about the (plentiful) taxes I pay? Are only the 'net contributors' worthy of an opinion? At least I am paying into the system which is propping up those that only take from the system. If everyone that is considered not to be a net contributor stopped paying any taxes at all see how long the countries generous welfare system lasts 🙄

But thats the point you're not paying plentiful tax its not even covering your costs so why are you saying your paying for other people

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:18

NothinLeftToTax · 11/05/2026 18:15

I absolutely love it when people come out with this tired old drivel! Always at least one on every thread.
If I am not a net contributor and will in theory take more than I pay in I should be quiet and have nothing to say about the (plentiful) taxes I pay? Are only the 'net contributors' worthy of an opinion? At least I am paying into the system which is propping up those that only take from the system. If everyone that is considered not to be a net contributor stopped paying any taxes at all see how long the countries generous welfare system lasts 🙄

I personally think it is awful to reduce real people to givers and takers.
It is just divisive language that is seeing us argue.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:19

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:17

Critical illness insurance? Income protection insurance?

Can you get them with pre-existing conditions and working in a zero hour job?

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:19

NothinLeftToTax · 11/05/2026 18:15

I absolutely love it when people come out with this tired old drivel! Always at least one on every thread.
If I am not a net contributor and will in theory take more than I pay in I should be quiet and have nothing to say about the (plentiful) taxes I pay? Are only the 'net contributors' worthy of an opinion? At least I am paying into the system which is propping up those that only take from the system. If everyone that is considered not to be a net contributor stopped paying any taxes at all see how long the countries generous welfare system lasts 🙄

Agree with you wholeheartedly. We work off the base of what public services etc cost per person. If you work you reduce that cost, even if you don’t eliminate it entirely. Your work is still very valuable to society. You are supporting the wider community and ensuring you don’t have to take in benefits..

Lifeomars · 11/05/2026 18:19

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2026 17:57

I’m a centre left voter but I personally would make everyone retiring from 55-67 and drawing down on private pensions or savings pay a flat £30 a week NI , at the moment they pay zilch and very little tax unless drawing down over £20k a year. The NI element really annoys me, presumably they all still want to be covered for health etc - and even if paying for private health NHS often still needed for A&E or emergencies and certain procedures

I'm retired and I last went to A and E 25 years ago with a sprained ankle (injured it at work) I last went to the GP 6 months ago and prior to that I had not been for 7 years. I was there much more frequently as a younger woman due to a lot of gyne issues (in patient stays and various procedures which I am sure cost a lot) but now I am old that is thankfully a thing of the past. I am used my personal experience to demonstrate that you can't generalise about age and NHS usage. I worked for 45 years prior to retirement and paid NI and income tax and I still pay a wedge of income tax each month as my small NHS pension is added onto my state pension and I am of course taxed on the combined amount. I pay full council tax as I have since its inception and of course like everyone else I pay VAT when I buy any goods or services that are eligible for it. So other than paying NI I think I am still contributing to the economy. £120 a month would be a real wedge to me. I read posts like yours and feel rather attacked, I am sure tho that being left of centre, this was not your intention

TigerRag · 11/05/2026 18:19

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:17

Critical illness insurance? Income protection insurance?

Which those of us with pre existing conditions can't get

Namechange857 · 11/05/2026 18:20

dizzydizzydizzy · 11/05/2026 13:29

Sure but it is still not a lot, so quoting percentages while true, is misleading.

Inflation has a disproportionate impact if you are on a low income because a greater proportion of your income goes on food, transport, electricity, water etc which are all hard or impossible to cut back on.

It's still a vast percentage more than the majority of people's pay rises!

Plus all the various 'elements' add up.

MsGreying · 11/05/2026 18:20

You need a thriving economy to help everyone.
We haven't got one. And labour are really good at crushing economies.

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:20

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:17

Critical illness insurance? Income protection insurance?

People who make these comments need to check their privilege not everyone is born healthy.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:21

Fluffybuns88 · 11/05/2026 18:15

You can work on LCWRA and it's £400 which is deductible the same as any other element.

The "non work commitments" category covers LCWRA, parents of young children and carers, it doesn't mean they don't work.

Yes, you can work on LCWRA... if able to, and also able to find an employer willing to take on someone who is probably going to be unreliable due to their illness and needing appointments etc.

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:25

Plugg · 11/05/2026 18:19

Agree with you wholeheartedly. We work off the base of what public services etc cost per person. If you work you reduce that cost, even if you don’t eliminate it entirely. Your work is still very valuable to society. You are supporting the wider community and ensuring you don’t have to take in benefits..

Nobody can insure they won't need benefits. Things happen and you have no control over that. I worked full time for 20 years before I needed to claim benefits. I still work now just not as much as I'm unable to do so. Don't ever think nothing bad will happen to you or your family.

UnemployedNotRetired · 11/05/2026 18:25

"we have a mortgage and so wouldn’t be entitled to universal credit."

See this so often. It is literally untrue.

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:26

UnemployedNotRetired · 11/05/2026 18:25

"we have a mortgage and so wouldn’t be entitled to universal credit."

See this so often. It is literally untrue.

It is i have a mortgage and get uc

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