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To wonder on the future of generous welfare in the UK

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happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 17:55

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:27

Leave it alone. You are getting nasty.

Getting nasty is an understatement. She's already said that disabled people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

ButterYellowFlowers · 11/05/2026 17:55

There’s no perfect way to solve any of this sadly. If we take away the childcare for benefits claimants they will claim they can’t work or go for job interviews due to lack of childcare. I do think students should get subsidised childcare hours though - especially those doing NHS placements.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:55

SinicalMe · 11/05/2026 17:54

I really hope you’re joking by saying £800 of free money is “hardly generous”. Confused That’s a real insult to that cleaner/checkout/factory/care home worker etc working hard on minimum wage, paying their taxes to give you your “paltry” £800. Angry

£800 ish on UC is LCRWA rate, which means the PP is unable to work.

It is also half the take home of someone on NMW.

Katypp · 11/05/2026 17:56

Tiredalwaystired · 11/05/2026 17:49

To get the benefits bill down corporations need to be paying a decent living wage. The government is subsidising them by allowing them to offer low wages and then topping up. If you can’t pay fair wages then your business isn’t viable.

SMEs employ 60 per cent of the workforce in the UK, or 17m people, according the the FMB.
If even a quarter of them 'aren't viable', who do you suggest is going to employ the 6.5m people laid off when the business closes?
It's so easy to spout nonsense like this without any joined-up thinking of the actual fallout if your marvellous idea came to fruition. Much like the current Labour govenment, who seem unable to see the obvious consequences - never mind the unintended consequences - of their actions.

DrCoconut · 11/05/2026 17:56

I'm willing to guess that your average universal credit claimant would swap their circumstances for middle class poverty any day. I'd much rather have a £95k income than a few quid UC and a £1 ticket for the zoo. UC is an awful punitive and intrusive system that is designed to keep people poor and beaten down. After a while of trying and trying to improve their lot people just lose hope and give up. Merging (possibly) longer term in work and disability benefits with (at least in theory) temporary unemployment benefit was a dreadful mistake.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 17:56

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 17:55

Getting nasty is an understatement. She's already said that disabled people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Yep, or date, because "dating is fun". SMH.

Cocktailglass · 11/05/2026 17:57

Freddiesfortune · 11/05/2026 17:12

@Cocktailglass
Maybe you shouldn’t believe everything you read. A theoretical scenario such as you mentioned and even if some (a tiny amount) of families have SO MANY disabled members I doubt they are all bouncing off to the Tower of London every week just to take advantage of the £1 offer or whatever it is.

OP

I have a severely disabled child.
I promise you and anyone else who thinks “a life on benefits” is a great game…
I work part- time because I’m the
only person in the world (currently) who can care for her. There are no after school clubs or wraparound care or family or friends or whatever to care.
She keeps me up ALL night most nights. I get maybe 2-3 hours sleep a night.
My husband is self-employed and therefore we don’t qualify for UC (no £1 tickets here). We have a mortgage.
We both have PhDs.
He works in his chosen career.
I get to beg for incontinence pads and hydrotherapy (and get denied) and do dietician and SALT and orthopaedic and school and GP and OT and NDT and spinal and bladder and kidney and dental and maxillofacial appointments.
I get paid minimum wage to watch over rich families’ children during lunch at a private school.
I get carer’s allowance- all £342 per month.
I used to work in law for the civil service and 21 years ago had a salary of £46,000 before added amounts.
It’s not the taxpayers fault (me being one of them) that I had a disabled child.
It’s not mine either.
The economy won’t collapse because certain PRIVATE enterprises decide to add to their income via reduced entry fees

Please believe I was in no way referring to genuine cases, rather the ones who do exaggerate. I have a ND DC and it's a bloody hard ride I know!

Yes I have read and examined the differences between not working/doing minimum hours and UC with dla and pip can add up to much more than someone on minimum wage or more full time.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2026 17:57

Katypp · 11/05/2026 17:40

As ever: quit and claim then 🤷🏻‍♀️
Another benefit bashing thread...
This! These threads are getting really old.

Do posters think they are being pithy and/or amusing by responding the these threads with smartarse soundbites like these?

Clearly they are interested enough in the subject matter to click on the thread, then don't engage in the discussion and plop a silly comment on the thread. Just why?

Apart from the fact that dismissing the many posters on the thread who agree with the OP is exactly how Reform are getting a foothold, it also shows they have no actual answers.

My partial solution (which would at the very least get more money into the economy and make benefits less desirable) would be to tax EVERYONE once their income reaches the tax-free threshold.

Pensioners, benefits claimants, pensioners, children, maintenance recipients - once their annual income crosses £12,750 (or whatever it is currently), they are taxed. Pensioners take a lot of flak on here (by people who seem to not realise they will be pensioners themselves one day) but they are one of the few groups who actually DO pay tax on anything they receive over the threshold.

I’m a centre left voter but I personally would make everyone retiring from 55-67 and drawing down on private pensions or savings pay a flat £30 a week NI , at the moment they pay zilch and very little tax unless drawing down over £20k a year. The NI element really annoys me, presumably they all still want to be covered for health etc - and even if paying for private health NHS often still needed for A&E or emergencies and certain procedures

MyLimeGuide · 11/05/2026 17:57

Meadowfinch · 11/05/2026 16:45

I only have one child because I knew I couldn't afford to have more and give them an acceptable standard of living. I did the responsible thing. I pay huge amounts of tax, the NHS is on its knees and yet they lift the 2 child benefit cap, and we're supposed to welcome that. When does it stop? We as a country cannot afford such a lack of personal responsibility.

I know, im the same, only one child, always wanted 2 but its impossible if you want to be a (successful) working mum!

Jane379 · 11/05/2026 17:58

happybug1234 · 11/05/2026 12:51

It seems increasingly obvious that many middle-income families are becoming frustrated at how squeezed they are financially, while at the same time seeing people on universal credit receive a growing range of subsidies and support — £1 attraction tickets on days out, a 6% rise in benefits this financial year, childcare costs reclaimable through Universal Credit, housing benefit, and so on. I see thread after thread on this on this site and also increasing momentum in the media on this issue (income cliff edges etc)

In my own extended family, 1 unemployed parent with the other on min wage, in social housing appear to have more holidays and more disposable income than we do, despite us both working full time with a household income of around £95k. Once childcare, mortgage, insurances, commuting and tax are taken into account, we 100% have a lower level of disposable income than they do as they do not have any of these work related costs and their rent is paid. They have recently gone on a 2 week holiday whilst the most we can ever afford is 1 week.

Quite a few teachers in my friendship circle are declining promotion opportunities or TLR because the extra pay often doesn’t feel worth the additional stress once tax, pension contributions and childcare costs are factored in. Instead, some are putting more effort into private tutoring, which is tax free cash in hand.

What is stopping the government from addressing this as people seek to be responding accordingly in their behaviour!

When you say one parent is unemployed - why? Are they a SAHM? Or what?

Kitt1 · 11/05/2026 17:58

Solution: Sell your house and move into private rented then you can be better off too. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Skinnysaluki · 11/05/2026 17:59

SinicalMe · 11/05/2026 17:54

I really hope you’re joking by saying £800 of free money is “hardly generous”. Confused That’s a real insult to that cleaner/checkout/factory/care home worker etc working hard on minimum wage, paying their taxes to give you your “paltry” £800. Angry

All the people in the jobs you list who earn the minimum wage are likely to also be in receipt of UC

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:00

DrCoconut · 11/05/2026 17:56

I'm willing to guess that your average universal credit claimant would swap their circumstances for middle class poverty any day. I'd much rather have a £95k income than a few quid UC and a £1 ticket for the zoo. UC is an awful punitive and intrusive system that is designed to keep people poor and beaten down. After a while of trying and trying to improve their lot people just lose hope and give up. Merging (possibly) longer term in work and disability benefits with (at least in theory) temporary unemployment benefit was a dreadful mistake.

I'm sure you're right.
But what about a salary of £30,000 or even less?
Bit bizarre to choose between UC and £95k - where did you get that figure from?

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:01

I hope the people on this thread moaning about people on benefits are the less then 50% of the uk that are actually net contributors otherwise you really don't have a leg to stand on. If you are on a low or mid wage even if not on benefits you're taking out a lot more then you are putting in.

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:02

Skinnysaluki · 11/05/2026 17:59

All the people in the jobs you list who earn the minimum wage are likely to also be in receipt of UC

Yep retail and on uc

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:03

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2026 17:57

I’m a centre left voter but I personally would make everyone retiring from 55-67 and drawing down on private pensions or savings pay a flat £30 a week NI , at the moment they pay zilch and very little tax unless drawing down over £20k a year. The NI element really annoys me, presumably they all still want to be covered for health etc - and even if paying for private health NHS often still needed for A&E or emergencies and certain procedures

I would agree with this 100%.
Actually I think pensioners should pay NI full stop.

BeFluentTraybake · 11/05/2026 18:03

Single mother of 1 on UC work PT and struggle to make ends meet but id be worse off working and paying for childcare. I have less than 50 quid left in my bank day before pay day. I think system is set up to fail everyone tbh and finger pointing a marginalised group just because of a few piss takers ignores the bigger picture

ilovesooty · 11/05/2026 18:03

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:03

I would agree with this 100%.
Actually I think pensioners should pay NI full stop.

So do I.

Skinnysaluki · 11/05/2026 18:04

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2026 17:57

I’m a centre left voter but I personally would make everyone retiring from 55-67 and drawing down on private pensions or savings pay a flat £30 a week NI , at the moment they pay zilch and very little tax unless drawing down over £20k a year. The NI element really annoys me, presumably they all still want to be covered for health etc - and even if paying for private health NHS often still needed for A&E or emergencies and certain procedures

Also a centre left, we’ll probably further left, voter and agree that it is a myth that such voters believe that everyone should be handed free money all the time and not work. There are various solutions to the growing welfare bill that should be discussed.

But the discussion as framed by the OP is divisive, pits people against each other, lessens those on UC, takes a punitive attitude towards them and their children and is just plain wrong.

141mum · 11/05/2026 18:04

dizzydizzydizzy · 11/05/2026 13:21

The 6% increase in UC is £24 per month for a single adult. That won’t cover the increase in food.

I don’t get a 6% pay rise

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:05

It makes me laugh all these people apparently working so hard to pay our benefits yet have been on here all day. Here's me who's on benefits only being able to post now as I have been at work all day.

XenoBitch · 11/05/2026 18:05

141mum · 11/05/2026 18:04

I don’t get a 6% pay rise

6% of not much is still not much.

Marieb19 · 11/05/2026 18:05

We have become a low wage, high tax, high benefit economy and it is at a level where there are few incentives to work if you are unskilled. It will bankrupt the economy and leave millions without training or ambition.

BeFluentTraybake · 11/05/2026 18:05

SinicalMe · 11/05/2026 17:54

I really hope you’re joking by saying £800 of free money is “hardly generous”. Confused That’s a real insult to that cleaner/checkout/factory/care home worker etc working hard on minimum wage, paying their taxes to give you your “paltry” £800. Angry

It doesnt cover bills.

Katypp · 11/05/2026 18:05

youalright · 11/05/2026 18:01

I hope the people on this thread moaning about people on benefits are the less then 50% of the uk that are actually net contributors otherwise you really don't have a leg to stand on. If you are on a low or mid wage even if not on benefits you're taking out a lot more then you are putting in.

Explain your logic on this one please?
If you work and contribute tax, you have no write to judge people who don't work and pay tax because you might not be a net contributer?
That one confounds me.

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