So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

Remember most of us did not have elections at all , and those who did were not voting for a U.K. wide election so felt comfortable voting for a protest vote knowing councils don’t actually have much power. Scottish and Welsh elections were not successful for reform

They aren’t obliged to but actually most do. Or more, most people stay in the region of the country that they are fleeing from.

Your friend is talking shite.

It is a legacy of colonisation. They want to come here because they speak english. Why do they speak english? Because we colonised them. And because we taught them that Great Britain knew the best way to live.You reap what you sow.

ID cards, citizen/resident registration, consistent and serious sentences for those found to be employing illegal workers.

If the UK bosses of Uber, Deliveroo etc actually faced jail time for the thousands of illegal workers that work for them then you can bet people would sit up and notice. Ditto all the nail bars, car washes, barbers, farms etc.

All foreign students to attend all classes in person, no remote learning from your uncle’s petrol station 200 miles away. Revocation of student visas and fines to educational establishments if students found to be absent.

Not having English as our national language would also be a huge help but that’s a tricky one to fix.

A programme on radio four a while back was explaining that if someone is refused asylum at one European country, they are automatically refused asylum at others. Thus the people move to try a non EU country, us.

Also immigration is down a lot but the government haven't advertised this enough.

They often don’t speak English ! As I already said, the bill for translators and interpreters runs into millions. There are areas of Britain where some, often women, don’t speak English after living here for many years.

Ah, doncha know? Immigration is totally responsible for housing g shortages, NHS waiting lists and overcrowded schools. And crime. And poor quality Uber drivers.And quite possibly the rise of trans ideology… Witjout immigration, all these would be solved in a stroke, no additional investment required

The men coming here on boats are not asylum seekers or refugees, they are economic migrants.
Of they were refugees they would be bringing their mothers sisters wives and daughters with them.
We have no idea who these men are other than the fact they are willing to break the law.
They should not be wondering around in our communities, they should be held in barracks until processed, the incentive could vanish and the flow would stop overnight.

That would be a brave politician who suggested that!

Pull the plug on the hotel accommodation and the benefits is a start

I’m (mildly) curious as to why we’re an outlier here…

But they are fed, clothed, accommodated, given pocket money etc, reduced tickets to attractions, services of interpreters, dental and medical treatment. A rose by any other name and all that…

= benefits.

Weird. This is what I get from a quick search that indicates there are restrictions.
"Permitted Regions: Churches exist in many Muslim-majority nations, particularly in the Middle East and Southeast Asia, with major historical presence in places like Egypt (Copts), Syria, and Turkey.
Restrictions and Regulations: Even where allowed, churches often face, strict regulatory environments, limitations on visibility (no bell ringing or steeples), and prohibitions on building new churches in certain areas.
Prohibitions: Saudi Arabia is a notable exception, where public non-Muslim worship is forbidden and churches cannot be built.
Evangelism Bans: In many countries (e.g., Jordan, Pakistan), it is illegal for Christians to publicly proselytize or convert Muslims.
Varying Freedoms: The experience of Christians varies widely from open coexistence to extreme persecution, with some countries viewing Christians as protected dhimmis (historical term) or, in some areas, targeting them, as in parts of Nigeria, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. "

I think it would lovely if everyone could practice their own religion but when there are extremists putting bombs in concerts and stabbing people that did nothing to them, then some people will understandably push back.

Then they’d be roaming the streets, stealing etc. The boats need to be stopped at source. Starmer is quite happy to pay France to ignore the problem, so what’s the answer?

The more culturally similar, the more likely the asylum seekers are to feel that it's not really safe and the danger they fled could easily spread, so want to put several national borders between them before it actually feels possible to stop being afraid. And also concentrating large asylum populations in a small area immediately near to the area of danger is a known and obvious source of new risks and dangers because of the pressures that such a volatile situation creates. Refugee camps are not safe. Refugee ghettos set up hurriedly by a relatively poor neighbouring country to manage the influx is a temporary solution at best and not a good place to build a new life. Barely half of 1% of the global population are refugees. Spread out across the globe fairly, they are easily absorbed into each country. Concentrated only into neighbouring countries is a much worse problem, much more expensive to manage, and any international agreements to enforce such a (frankly inadvisable) policy would have to be heavily funded by the countries (such as the uk) who were foisting their fair share onto countries much less well-placed to cope.

Sadly some people are very, very stupid. It’s time that voting was made compulsory after some much needed political education first. I know a lot of people who honestly thought it was a general election??!!

Each person will have their own reasons for wanting to seek asylum in the UK rather than the first safe country they arrive in - some of which will be entirely understandable. Eg they already have family in the UK who can support them, they speak good English but no other European languages, there is a large community of people from their country on the UK already and they are offering support, they have a skill which is in demand in the UK or a qualification which is recognised in the UK but not in other European countries.

I have heard that mentioned in the media. So it should be, but they’ve a long way to go and lots to do before patting themselves on the back.

The issue is that practical solution is very different from populist steps and some would require changes of British ways.

Forbidding asylum seekers to work while they are being processed and lowering funding and capacity to process their applications means creating artificial bunch of people not allowed to support themselves and therefore costing the public money. The solution is counterintuitive - increasing the processing capacity.

UK is popular because of the lack of identifications. In many EU countries the ID and national registers play much bigger role in everyday life, so it is harder to go unnoticed and impossible to slowly blend in.

Majority of those who see immigration as a key problem don't want to solve it, they just want it to disappear, or they just want to be able to rant about it. Some just want to see that there is some lower cast that the system treats worse then them.

In Poland, the water canons are deployed on the border with Belarus (due to an alleged history of Belarus previously flying in immigrants from the Middle East and pushing through to Poland). However, illegal immigrants from Ukraine are not met with water cannons

It was difficult enough to get here using legal channels for my Indian friends who contribute massively to our NHS.

You are joking right?

Living a comfy life in a prison hotel with horrible food and no access to work until you have been granted asylum which could take several years. Then once you do have right to remain, you wait 5 years - no sorry 10 years - before you are eligible to claim any benefits at all.