To feel slightly sad for Labour and Keir?

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Aibu to feel sad for Labour's results so far ? I've not historically been a Labour voter but I think Keir has done a good job on some things but on others he was never going to be popular...and no one would be ! I like that he's the first leader recently to appear to have a moral backbone and consistency (if he truly wasn't informed about Mandelson I might add).
How do you feel about the state of play particularly if you've been lifelong labour and did you swing to a different vote this time round ?

I voted Labour because I thought Keir would take the sensible economic decisions needed to secure the UKs future. Scrap the triple lock and clamp down on benefits, bin the ludicrous marginal tax rates to boost growth. But no. He’s wimped out of all hard decisions. What a loser.

Very sad.
It's going to be a long, depressing day.

Labour were elected with a good majority. Unfortunately their time in government has been a shambles. Democracy enables voters to voice their opinions, so the results we are already seeing aren’t unexpected. No one forced anyone to go into politics, so I absolutely do not feel sorry for any of them.

I don't dislike Kier but they should have done something about the ballooning PIP, they shouldn't have introduced how much you can pay into your pension before paying national insurance, or reduced the ISA amount, they shouldn't be making it more costly for businesses to employ people. I could go on! But no I do not feel sorry for him, I don't dislike him but I do dislike so many things that labour have done. Another gem, building on greenbelt and farmland. They are terrible sadly. I have voted labour in the past but I won't be doing for the foreseeable future.

If Keir was serious about defeating Reform options were open. Look at Denmark. Its centre left took the wind out of the far right’s sails by actively addressing the immigration concerns of their citizens, saying they were doing so in order to protect public services for Danes. It’s possible to address voter’s concerns. Or you can choose to ignore them and have voters hand your arse yo you.

The NICs thing came about because RR foolishly stated she wouldn’t raise VAT, income tax or NIC. She boxed herfelf into a corner and so was forced to raise tax through big change to other, smaller taxes despite this being hugely economically damaging to the state. She’s a fool.

So, when Starmer initially said it was a legitimate thing for Israel to deprive the people of Gaza of energy and water, you think he has a moral backbone?

When the former human rights lawyer won't assert that Israel has committed war crimes, when the evidence is as clear as day, you believe he has a moral backbone?

When he throws his advisors and top civil servants under the bus due to his own poor judgement, you think he has a moral backbone?

When he refuses to join the US/Israel illegal war on Iran, but says the US can use their bases in the UK for defensive actions against Iran, he has a moral backbone?

Need I go on?

What has Gaza got to do with it.
He is PM of this country.

Gaza is nothing to do with local elections. UK politicians should be focused upon the UK.

Labour have only themselves to blame . They are presiding over a complete shitshow and the sooner they’re gone the better. I believe Starmer to be a ‘good ‘ man but totally inadequate politician.

But if you don't leverage gaza, as if it is even remotely the worst conflict going on right now (they always ignore the various African genocides, funny that) how will the Green lunatics get any voters?

I was a little perplexed by the fact so many seemed to expect Labour to transform the economy so quickly after years of mess.

I think it sums up how fractured we are as a country and how everyone wants different things.

Scrap the triple lock and clamp down on benefits, bin the ludicrous marginal tax rates to boost growth

Ecery single party knows the triple lock is a drain but no party will scrap it.

The wet wipe deserves it after the shit show of u-turning every single hard decision. He has no conviction just appeases backbenchers. No one has a clue what he really believes, not even him. Odious man.

Starmer brought this upon himself.

He needs to own this (we all know he wont).

Instead he will deflect, and release some meaningless soundbites, like:

’We have listened’
’We need to go further, faster’ etc

And other meaningless bullshit.

He has no mandate to govern because the back benches will not let him - even if he wanted to.

The left can try to gas-light Reform and their voters all they like - it’s too late for Labour now. It’s over.

Why do you feel sad for labour ...they are in power for three more years .
The public have sent a clear message to them ,
When labour came to power they said they would stop the boats
So now it's very clear,that's what the public expect.
Labour have 3 years to turn things round ,to learn from this election and actually do what the public clearly want
Or carry on as they are ,and we get a reform government.
The ball is in labours court ..

The unpopular decisions like binning the triple lock and increasing income tax and cutting benefits needed to be made in the first budget. They then would have had 4/5 years to win people back over. They bottled it. It’s so pathetically sad.

@Castellio but they never said they would scrap the triple lock or increase income tax? If they had they wouldn’t have got into power

Well, they lied to achieve power in other areas.

’Smash the gangs’
’No tax rises - we will tread lightly on your lives etc’

Sunak called them out numerous times.

@Hallowedturf . Are you honestly saying if they got in and scrapped the triple lock there would have been no fall out? Look at the ridiculous outcry over means testing winter fuel!

It would have been carnage, yes.

Actually, it’s already carnage.

Starmer cannot get past his back benches, we all know that.

The thing is this country is currently paying 10% of the entire bugsget no debt financing. And it’s getting bigger all the time. All the politicians know this but none of them have the balls to make the hard decisions because when they do the ignorant scream blue murder. Why do people think he took away the winter fuel allowance? Why did he try to tackle welfare? Because the country is in a debt doom loop and it’s getting worse all the time. There won’t be any getting out of it shortly. He’s a grown up. He should have told the public straight. But no.

Labour are a shambles. I don’t feel sorry for him at all. Utter disaster

I think it’s easy to be a good opposition leader when everything is hypothetical but much harder when you get in charge and try to actually implement the policies you feel will make a difference to people’s lives. They’ve fucked up lots. I think the main gripe with Labour is how much the middle class always seem to get completely squeezed while the poorer get more and that fucks people off. Still waiting on our free breakfast club…

Also I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he chose to do this.