Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

Plenty of time for them to show their arses before the GE, don’t you worry.

Enough rope to hang themselves. 🤭

Very depressing.

Not so much the results or anything partisan - but just what it means for the country. I can't remember a less optimistic time, and none of the parties really seem to be able to generate any positivity.

It feels like the winners are the ones who can shine the biggest light onto the problems facing the U.K. (Greens + Reform, from different perspectives) but I don't see people voting from them with hope that they will improve it. But more that they just agree with their diagnosis of the problem.

Reform voters agree with reforms view on the problems in the U.K. but do they actually believe Reform will really fix the country?

Green voters agree with Greens view on the problems with the U.K. but do they actually believe the Greens would be truly able to fix them?

All I can see is no. Obviously the main parties inspire even less confidence in people at the moment.

So the entire thing just feels like a race to the bottom, full of problems but no hope or faith that it can actually improve.

Depressing.

Lol. The current and previous administration are/ were both totally incompetent but nothing compared to the incompetence of Farage and his ilk whose stated policies would lead to almost immediate destruction of the fragments of the British economy that remain after the destruction of the last few decades.

All of Reeves’ tax rises in total don’t even cover the loss of tax revenue per year from Brexit. Only a completely economically illiterate idiot would think that the architect of Brexit is going to improve their living standards. Nobody clueless enough to vote for Reform is in a position to make any credible assertion about economics.

Yours sincerely,

An economist

(Those pesky experts and their data and facts! So inconvenient).

Yeah everyone is an economist or a scientist on here. Sure, whatever you say.

Anyway, what is your political solution to keeping Reform out.

Because whatever you think it is, it’s not working currently. As I say venting and calling people names won’t actually get you the outcome you want.

Also, I did not call anybody racist. It’s really not acceptable to accuse people of things they have never said.

I described as stupid people who continually vote for stupid policies that there is unequivocal evidence will make them continually poorer, and which they have nonetheless voted for previously to test this out and who have then “discovered” (exactly as they were warned would be the case) that exactly as predicted these policies do make them continually poorer so they now also have empirical evidence proving this, but who nevertheless want to continue to do the same and makes themselves poorer still.

It is a tautological statement of fact to state that people are stupid if they continually do stupid things which will cause themselves harm even though they know these things will have negative outcomes for them because they have already tried this out before and not learned from it as well as been warned about this multiple times by experts whom they ignore.

Even relatively unintelligent animals such as rats and mice in lab experiments manage to learn from positive/ negative outcomes and adapt their behaviour accordingly. If this is beyond the intellectual capacity of some of the UK electorate then there’s not much that the rest of us can do to help them. They’ll just have to be left to get on with it and suffer the natural consequences.

I reserve my sympathy for those who are impacted by their decisions who didn’t vote for this idiocy, not the idiots inflicting harm on themselves and others.

Reform +77
Labour -64

Report my post then and ask Mumsnet to verify it to you if you wish. They obviously know who I am.

Troll hunting is against the Talk Guidelines, by the way.

It’s still an opinion. Not seeing any facts yet.

But what’s your solution to all these supposedly stupid people (in your insulting words) making bad decisions for everyone else. And why has that solution not worked so far.

What is objectionable is that they seem to expect the rest of us to solve their problems for them.

Perhaps they should try to take some responsibility for themselves now rather than blaming everyone else. Many people are fed up with hearing them moan about their self-inflicted situation.

Once they want to apologise to the rest of the nation and tell us what they’ll do to start repairing the harm they’ve caused then maybe it’ll be worth us engaging again but for now I think it’s best to leave them to it. They wanted to be poorer and now they are. The rest of us are busy dealing with the damage they’ve already done to us. Why should we care about their self-inflicted plight now and their gaslighting trying to blame the rest of us?

Let them suffer the falling living standards and collapsing local services they’ve voted for and learn their lesson. When they want to apologise then maybe it’ll be worth listening but I think most people have had quite enough of listening to it now.

Sadly there is no cure for stupid. But maybe in time when they endure enough of their wish to be poorer being made true by their Fairy Godfarage they will finally learn their lesson.

What does that mean? How do ‘they’ want you to solve their problems? What specifically are the asking you for?

They are using the electoral system to try and solve whatever problems they have. Which is exact contradiction to your assertion.

‘They’ don’t seem to care at all about what you think or do. You being the Reform opponent. But you seem to resent and insult Reform voters. In a visceral, irrational and obsessive way.

How do they know what your occupation is? You don't give that information when you sign up. Just an email address.

😂

We get the politicians we deserve.

Hmm, Reform are winning seats, but they’re not winning councils. They don’t seem to be able to get it over the line - not yet, anyway.

Constantly bleating on about how it’s everyone else’s fault that they make dumb voting decisions. Telling us “they know what they are voting for” and “don’t care if it makes them poorer” then when it inevitably makes them poorer moaning about this and instead of doing anything to improve their own communities or economic prospects blaming everyone else for their situation (which they voted for) and then voting for more of the same that will make them poorer still.

The places which have the highest Reform/ Brexit majorities are mostly propped up by enormous amounts of tax revenue earned by people in other areas of the country already but instead of being grateful for being subsidised continually they do nothing but complain and have the highest rates of people sitting on their backsides doing very little to contribute, then wonder why their areas are shitholes and like to blame everyone else/ migrants/ the EU/ disabled children/ whatever for their problems. And say they’ll continue voting for idiotic things to make themselves even poorer until somebody else sorts their life out for them. Understandably, those who are propping them up are largely sick of listening to their moaning about largely self-inflicted problems, and the sympathy of many of us was exhausted at the point where they started trying to gaslight us and pretend we are to blame for their stupid decisions that impacted the rest of us as well.

They propose no solutions themselves, as evidenced by them voting for undeliverable cloud cuckoo land manifestos and being so gullible that they believe nonsense claims about what is causing the UK’s economic problems and what needs to be done to fix it, and vote in ways (like for Brexit) which undermine any possibility of improving things. Then try to blame everyone else for the idiotic decisions they have made and say “you made me do it because you told me it was a stupid thing to do and that made me do it, and it was stupid so now I’m even poorer like you said I would be if I did this so now I’m angry with you and it’s your fault!”.

It’s like trying to reason with a toddler having a tantrum because because they’ve thrown their own ice cream on the floor.

Sometimes, natural consequences are the only way to learn when someone hasn’t developed the intellectual understanding of the average 3 year old.

Do you believe in democracy?

👏👏👏👏

Really sorry but everything you describe is what’s coming through in your own post. I’ve never seen anyone on the right be so obsessive about other people’s electoral choices.

How is other people voting in the way they want akin to ‘bleating’. And what do you mean by proposing no solutions. They are literally using their vote as a solution. Why does that make you so angry. It’s incredibly weird.

Just because not enough people agree with you to grow your own voter coalition, doesn’t make Reform voters stupid. It’s democracy.

We are so irritated because the damage they will do won’t just affect Reform voters - it will affect us all.

What a bizarre question.

Clearly democracy exists.

And it has effects and consequences. The communities that have decided to vote for incompetent Reform candidates who will soon collapse what currently remains of their local services - as they have done in every Council so far where they have gained control - will experience these consequences, and with luck their electorates will then progress to the level of learning and decision making exhibited by rats and mice in lab experiments who are capable of learning that some behaviours have positive consequences and others have negative consequences and adapting their behaviour accordingly to ensure they get better outcomes.

It’s lucky for these people that evolutionary pressures on humans have largely been removed otherwise they would have been unlikely even to survive until adulthood, but perhaps there’s hope for them yet to adapt to the basic requirement of being functional adults in a modern society and upon receiving what they voted for again - Reform counsillors this time - they might be able to equal the level of learning that lab animals with brains a few centimetres in diameter regularly demonstrate in experiments.

We shall see.

They could say the same about the people who voted Labour. Except you never see Reform
voters calling Labour and Green voters names. The obsession and hysteria only flows one way.

Also, why does it bother you so much. It’s democracy. Don’t you believe in democracy?

And this post demonstrates very aptly why The Brexit experience will be repeated over and over.

‘Basket of deplorables’ anyone?

How is hurling insults working out so far? Not very well, I see.

Why don't Labour (and to a lesser extent, the other major parties) look at the reasons why people are voting Reform and modify their own policies accordingly. Instead of just saying "they're wrong, just you wait and see"?

It’s a form of loathing of the electorate.

We don’t want to deliver what you want. You should want what we deliver. Because you are stupid and we are clever, apparently.

Or something along those lines.

Very authoritarian. Usually the way the left operates.