Council Elections

[OneTealShaker]

The first declared seats going to Reform.

Reform +2
Labour -1

Buckle up people.

I wonder if people who insult voters by calling them stupid ever learn. Clearly didn’t learn from the Brexit vote.

Insulting voters will never win them around to your way of thinking.

At least in this case it will be largely the idiots who voted for these incompetent morons who suffer for it with these being local elections. Sad for the other people who happen to live in the areas with a high enough concentration of idiots that they end up with a Reform-dominated Council but at least this time they won’t be inflicting it on the whole of the UK. Maybe those who are stupid enough to back anything promoted by Farage will learn their lesson this time. They said they wanted to be poorer (i.e. higher taxes, worse services as every Reform council so far has delivered) so let them enjoy it. Maybe they will finally learn not to keep voting for self-harm. Unfortunately some people are so stupid they have to learn the hard way.

Of course it’s going to have an impact.

Many people are voting because of Reforms stance on immigration, taxation, the economy etc despite the fact these elections will give them absolutely zero power to do anything about any of the above.

Fact is living in a Reform council will allow people to see what they do when they actually have to make decisions, run budgets and organise shit. So far locally to us they’ve made an absolute cluster fuck of it. If they repeat that it’ll hammer their GE chances as people won’t vote them to run the country if they can’t run councils.

Just as if they run councils well and people are happy and satisfied it would undoubtedly boost their chances.

That’s obviously not how voter sentiment works.

If it did, Brexit voters wouldn’t still be voting for Farage.

I’m afraid, it’s total wishful thinking and detached from reality to think that if Reform councillors perform badly, it will impact their GE chances.

Reform +35
Labour -31

In your opinion.

And since you’ve resorted to rudeness I’m out. Absolutely no need for it.

If someone votes for an act of monumental self harm because someone else called them stupid, surely that only proves the point that they were in fact incredibly stupid.

Ultimately, they will have to face the consequences of their decisions and it won't be pretty. Only they won't be intelligent enough to realise that it's a mess of their own creation so they will look for someone else to blame. Wonder who they'll go for once Farage has kicked all of the immigrants out.

I’m struggling to think of another word to describe Reform voters. Well I do have a few actually, but stupid is the least offensive one.

They will definitely win the GE, I’m just glad by then I’ll have my EU passport and I’ll have the option to leave the UK.

Yet Polanski said Palestine is on the ballot in the local elections.

Reform and Greens are simply the horseshoe theory.

Same here.

My local ward has Reform councillors (elected last year) and they’re as useful as chocolate fire guards.

All the Reform UK supporters (on my local areas Facebook group) blame everything on our Labour MP, who shows his face a lot more in our constituency than the councillors do.

It’s so funny that anybody could think anyone is buying the gaslighting that the people who are responsible for the Brexit shitshow are those who didn’t vote for it.

Nice try, but no.

Those who voted for that lunacy need to own the consequences. They were vociferous in telling us that they “knew what they were voting for” and “were happy with being poorer”. They need to own their decision. They can hardly now expect the rest of us to feel sorry for them making themselves poorer deliberately when they also inflicted this on everyone else. They should be compensating the rest of us for it.

It’s like the classic abuser tactic of “look what you made me do! Why did you make me hit you?”

Nobody’s buying it I’m afraid. These people are responsible for their decision to ignore the warnings and dismiss “experts” and vote for self-harm. They got what they voted for and they deserve it. The rest of us have good cause to be very angry at them, not the reverse. If they are so slow at learning that they vote for more of the same self-harm then they’ll obviously get poorer again and it’s nobody’s fault but their own.

Reform won't necessarily win control of councils, even where they've won all the available seats. So that's something. Still not great, but something!

I bet loads of the Reform councillors won't last a year too, for various reasons!

^This

You don’t need to buy it. Reality is reality. Brexit happened and people want more of the same. The numbers are literally saying so.

My point is that getting abusive and emotional about it won’t change people’s minds. Calling them racist and stupid and all manner of names might make people like you feel better, but how does it actually help.

This is why I think Scotland will once again vote for the SNP. Not because people particularly want them back in power but because they consider them the least worst option and because at least they are NOT Reform. Unfortunately because we have a form of proportional representation here Reform will still probably pick up some MSPs.

Scotland however is not representative of the rest of the UK and has always been more left leaning.

Even better for Reform if that happens.

Lots of councillors everywhere building up their war chest in terms of campaigners everywhere. But not enough power to be held accountable if the my don’t have overall control of councils. Makes for a very attractive landscape to win the GE.

I think so far the op is the only one who hasn’t resorted to rudeness.

I don't agree. I think Reform will be a busted flush come the GE.

Not based on facts as they are today.

Three years (+) is a long old time in politics.

If it makes people feel better, then that's good enough for me.

You can't argue with far right idiots. They are beyond reason and beyond redemption, and I've given up bothering to try and persuade them. They are motivated by hate rather than logic. So it's better to just write them off rather than waste precious energy trying to engage with them.

It's about self preservation at this point. I'm resigned to the fact that I can't change the outcome so I can only really focus on my own response and how best to protect myself and my loved ones from the slow motion car crash that is gradually unfolding.

I didn’t say I didn’t buy that a significant proportion of the electorate are so stupid that they didn’t learn for 2016 and will vote for more of the same self-harm.

What I said is they can’t expect us to feel sorry for them when they get poorer and their services get worse because they voted for this to happen again. And that those of us who didn’t vote for this idiocy either time shouldn’t be expected to feel sorry for them or to accept their gaslighting about how apparently it’s our fault that they keep voting for stupid things. They need to suffer the consequences directly so it’s good these are local elections so the people who will suffer for it are largely those who have voted for it.

I feel sorry for those living in those areas who aren’t so stupid they voted for this but frankly if I lived in a place where the majority of people were that stupid, I’d move somewhere else.

Let’s hope they learn this time, but some people are incredibly slow. Ten years and apparently for some of them the penny still hasn’t dropped. In the meantime, though, many of the rest of us aren’t too interested in hearing them bleating on with their moaning about how much poorer their decisions have made them when they’ve also inflicted a lot of harm on those of us who didn’t vote for Brexit, so understandably many people’s sympathy for these complaints about it is exhausted.

”I stabbed myself and now it hurts!”.

ummmmm…

”I’m going to do it again!”

really?

”It’s your fault! You made me do it because you told me it was a stupid idea!”

Nope.

Not long enough to save the country from Red Ed and his mad destruction of energy policy. So our energy bills won’t be lower within 3 years.

Also not long enough to convince the economically illiterate Labour MPs that welfare bill needs to reduce. So taxes won’t come down within 3 years.

And finally not long enough to convince businesses and big investors to invest in this country. So the economy won’t be growing.

Or long enough to do anything about human rights laws and the crazy small boats situation.

And therein lies the issue. Thing will only get worse in the next 3 years. Thanks to Labour and the Tories.

Reform +51
Labour -43

This! Voters will see how utterly incompetent they are…we hope