AIBU to hope the greens do very well today?

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That’s it really. go Zack! 💚

I think all parties are put under scrutiny for antisemitism. Reform and Tories have both been accused of antisemitism in the media.

I think your facile analysis of the media as 'right wing' is the problem.

Ok. I was happy to genuinely discuss this with you, because we probably have some common ground somewhere. I can't be arsed with the insults, though.

It feels like a lot of people are condoning the antisemitism in the Green party by voting for them "because Palestine".

You aren't an antisemite for being a supporter of a two state solution. You are an antisemite if you agree with various antisemitic posts made by members of the Green party you voted for. You are an antisemite if you keep pretending antisemitism isn't an issue and that Jewish people deserve what's coming "because Palestine".

I don't agree that the media is right wing. I don't think that ZP is being smeared by a right wing press. If that's your starting point, there's probably not much to discuss.

I don't agree that the media is right wing.

😂

Ah, here comes Blossomtoes. Where've you been all day?

Our area has had green councillors so when I voted today I considered what they did for us when they were in last time. Absolutely fuck all.

What, Hypotits? God no, I hope they get a gubbing.

Scottish Greens even worse. They took the (unearned) power they were given through the Bute House agreement and were utterly incompetent.

Yes, it is in their policies.

Self ID is in their manifesto and they strongly oppose the For Women Scotland Supreme Court decision.

"So you wouldn't vote for any trans-accepting party"

I think you might not have thought this through.

I believe that in a pluralistic society, people should be free to have many different beliefs, but women need rights regardless of their feelings about gender.

I know that my life is different to my mother's and my grandmother's and my great grand mother's life because of sex based rights that did not exist 50-100 years ago. Those rights can be taken away. Identifying as a trans man or as non-binary does not protect against the need for an abortion or contraception or female specific health care, or sex based discrimination.

Yeah no one’s buying that angle.

Legalising all drugs for a start! That will end well.

I meant, was the specific quote in their policies, as you had put it in quotes

I'm not sure I understand the rest of your post. I mean I understand it, but no in relation to the question of whether you wouldn't vote for any trans-accepting party. Are you saying no and that's why?

I don’t really get the Zach love it. He’s treated like the Messiah, the second coming, but he’s actually just as shit, if not shitter, than the rest of them.

You are quite right to not want to be insulted. You answered the questions and said that we have a largely very right wing media - which is factual not facile.

Do you know the reasons behind the policy though? It's about following what the research shows will have the most harm reduction.Focusing on rehabilitation rather than punitive justice is shown to reduce offending and reoffending rates. Decriminalising things like possession stops vulnerable people from being driven further towards criminal enterprises. Are these insane ideas?

There are currently lots of dangerous drugs which are legal and they are highly regulated. What do you think the policy will look like in reality?

Quite.
I take it the pp lives in a very nice area unaffected by asylum hotels and HMO’s.

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Examiners Services Bill which was intended to allow rape survivors the ability to request (not demand, merely request) a female medical examiner.

That's not 'trans accepting'. That's anti women.

And it's a big part of why many women won't vote for them.

I don’t hate Jews, I don’t think women can have a penis and I don’t think we should legalise crack so they’re probably not the party for me

I get the impression that the honourable original aims of the party are still evident in some quarters, but if the greens every get near any real power then these genuine people will be flushed from the party along with what is left of the original policies.

It is facile to say the media is rightwing. The definition of facile is simplistic.

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Examiners Services Bill which was intended to allow rape survivors the ability to request (not demand, merely request) a female medical examiner.

The power of the whips does not allow individual conscience voting. (never has),
Starmer is only surviving by the power/influence of the whips and the fact that a lot of labour MPs are going to be out of their jobs very soon, Its no way to run a country....he just becoming a dictator..

No that is not a direct quote from Zack Polanski, it's just the only logical explanation of what he claims to believe. If sex is unconnected to any objective classification it is a subjective idea that can mean anything.

I'm not really sure what you mean by trans-accepting. As I said before, a pluralistic society can accommodate people with a wide range of beliefs, and disagreement with a belief does not imply lack of acceptance or intolerance.

I believe that in law and policy 'woman' should be a neutral word that does not imply anything about identity. Until very recently that was bog standard feminism.

I can see this happening really.
It’s just becoming a spiral of economic doom.

That's not true though is it?

She made a comment about the regulatory burden which it places on businesses, and her opponents took it out of context to declare that she 'doesn't agree with' maternity pay.

Criticise politicians for what they have actually said/ done. It does not help debate to just make stuff up about the ones you don't like.

Very true.

Also - 'right wing' is not a synonym for 'bad/unacceptable. Some people seem to think its just a meaningless insult.