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To think Starmer will be gone by the end of Friday? Or will it be Monday evening?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/05/2026 10:58

Whoever you are voting for today, it's probably not Labour - they might loose 2,000 seats.

How long exactly will it be before he resigns?

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KeepPumping · 07/05/2026 13:09

luckylavender · 07/05/2026 13:03

Do you have any idea how much a GE costs? And with everything going on in the world the last thing we need is weeks spent not governing but on the campaign trail. This changing of PMs every 5 minutes is making us look ridiculous. We need stability. This government has a huge majority.

They have a majority but all their time is spent on trying to keep KS in place and the clown show that will start on Monday to challenge for leadership, they are useless and need to go soon, people only voted for them to get the Tories out hopefully for good.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2026 13:09

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 07/05/2026 13:07

Yes, that what I mean.

Local sounds insignificant, but multiply that by thousands of wards wards things look different then.

Plus Wales and Scotland.

ACynicalDad · 07/05/2026 13:09

Typically, council elections don't force PMs out, but they leave them very vulnerable. There are people in Labour who would like to hold onto him until Burnham can get back to the Commons. Whilst he could announce he's going in days, I suspect it just leaves him even weaker and the next Mandelson type revelation is what actually does for him.

nomas · 07/05/2026 13:09

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/05/2026 13:06

Ridiculous.

News papers have just enjoyed this rapid turnover of PMs because it sells copy. Others have even darker motives for wanting to talk down a decent Labour PM.

He’s not the most charismatic man of all time, but it’s quietly doing a reasonably good job in unusually difficult circumstances.

Yep. Nick Ferrari admitted on LBC that a lot of this is driven by media like his rather than the public.

Port1aCastis · 07/05/2026 13:11

No parliamentary elections today only loca ones so how can Starmer be out?

nearlylovemyusername · 07/05/2026 13:11

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/05/2026 12:55

Starmer has three (main) things against him staying and one in favour.

Against:

  • he’s shit and very unlikeable
  • because he’s shit and very unlikeable, Labour is on the floor electorally and bleeding out votes
  • there’s a lot more embarrassment to come from the Mandelson papers
For:
  • Labour MPs can’t agree on a replacement

Labour ministers, MPs councillors and members know all this. They’re in despair.

I think Starmer will be forced out, but not for 18 months or more.

  • because he’s shit and very unlikeable, Labour is on the floor electorally and bleeding out votes

Really? Labour is on the floor because Starmer is unlikeable?
Not because they are bunch of comrados with ideology and not even basic understanding of economics?

FinchiePink · 07/05/2026 13:11

Port1aCastis · 07/05/2026 13:11

No parliamentary elections today only loca ones so how can Starmer be out?

Wishful thinking and a large dollop of delusion.

ByKindNavySwan · 07/05/2026 13:12

KeepPumping · 07/05/2026 13:03

So Labour under Brown/Blair and this incarnation of Labour have played no part in trying to sustain a massive property bubble based on cheap debt and gimmicks like HTB etc.?

Help to buy was Tory invention under George Osborne. HTH.

ChangePrivacyQuestion · 07/05/2026 13:12

I don't think what this country needs is more instability, whatever your opinion of Starmer. At least his PM lifespan isn't being compared to vegetables.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2026 13:14

FinchiePink · 07/05/2026 13:11

Wishful thinking and a large dollop of delusion.

Not sure, if the leader is a major reason for huge losses it’s not that difficult to change.

AprilMizzel · 07/05/2026 13:14

EarthlyNightshade · 07/05/2026 12:40

Just googled and there are 17000 council seats in England.

5000 up for election today.

Senedd and Scottish parliament are also up - and he's PM for whole of the UK not just England.

Birmigham one of the biggest council and they have around 8 Labour MPs -London also an area with many Labour MP is also having local elections. Then Wales been a strong hold for Labour for decades.

While we many not be voting in UK parliment elections and not everywhere is voting many strong Labour areas are voting for something today and while many local issues with be more prominate the idea these elections can be ignored or dismissed as not relevant to national parties is odd one.

Threeyearoldkids · 07/05/2026 13:18

I don't think he will be gone because the sheer arrogance of the man is astounding.

His is extremely disliked, and he has balsed up loads of times. He bypassed security settings to put a sleaze bag in the top job to hob knob with POTUS.

He thinks we are all thick as shit and we need to be led by the nose by him, who knows what is best for us. He ignores massive issues. I will never forget his priorities when those children were slaughtered in Southport, where I live nearby. I absolutely despise Starmer.

In fact you have just reminded me to vote so I can add my bit to kicking him out when that eventually happens.

Virtue signalling prosecco swigging hypocrite

AImportantMermaid · 07/05/2026 13:19

I’m voting for my local Labour councillor who actually lives in my ward and is really responsive to local concerns. Whoever you vote for, make sure they actually care about your community. Voting for a party at local level based just on their colours is a wasted vote.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/05/2026 13:19

Dragonscaledaisy · 07/05/2026 13:07

He's doing an appalling job.

Some people say this but rarely substantiate why.

Probably because they don’t know why they say it.

nearlylovemyusername · 07/05/2026 13:20

Eskarina1 · 07/05/2026 12:55

The 2024 manifesto? In full. Their policy statements? Also yes. Do I agree with it all? No. But it aligns much more closely with my view on things than most other parties. I want a focus on the environment. I want improvements to social care. I need a change in approach to education and not in the direction reform or the conservatives would go.

I'm influenced by the fact they don't have a chance of being the lead party in government. I want them to influence a Labour or Liberal Democrats led government so it's centre left, with a recognition of the climate crisis and our global responsibilities rather than drifting right and talking about islands of strangers.

I think there are cases for policies being considered like the legalisation and regulation of controlled drugs so I have no objection to them being explored. However I don't see them being in a position to implement policies on defense. I have also read it enough to understand that open borders is a global dream not any kind of planned policy.

OMG!

this is how we got Brexit and clowns in Parliament. "I don't believe they will implemented but will vote for them anyway"

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/05/2026 13:20

nearlylovemyusername · 07/05/2026 12:50

Absolutely this and I'm struggling to understand why people ignore it.

Rayner will never make it, Wes isn't popular, the only realistic option for Labour is Andy. There are some conversations amongst some MPs in the North to stand down to let him in.

But - Andy only made an interview saying that "we should borrow outside of fiscal rules to fund defense" and our borrowing costs jumped to 5.73%. Truss and Kwasi were amateurs, they only managed to raise it to 4.8%.

Markets anticipate Andy to be in and they don't like it.

Electorate seem to be oblivious to the fact that our interest payments are over £111bn, it's over 35% of the entire welfare bill. And this amount is highly sensitive to market perception of economic stability and deficit (deficit, not even debt).

I actually want Green and Reform to win big today so they have 3 years to completely f.. up local councils so some electorate can see them better and we might possibly have a bit safer GE in 2029.

Luckily neither have a chance in my area.

And Starmer is the least evil our of Labour, so I hope he stays for now.

this: "Electorate seem to be oblivious to the fact that our interest payments are over £111bn, it's over 35% of the entire welfare bill. And this amount is highly sensitive to market perception of economic stability and deficit (deficit, not even debt)."

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AprilMizzel · 07/05/2026 13:20

Port1aCastis · 07/05/2026 13:11

No parliamentary elections today only loca ones so how can Starmer be out?

Votes in major concentration of Labour voting areas currently with labour mps - many predicted to not vote Labour.

It will make the back benchers and maybe leadership very nervous if they lose in those area in big way - which may not happen polls have been worng in past.

If MPs lose confidence in his leadership - they can not vote with the governemnt more frequently ( what happened in Tory party) or try and oust the leader. So while it won't directly push him out big loses could weaken his leadership.

For some previous leaders it's been the final nail and they often jump ship - I don't think Starmer will though - also don't think there a solid waiting in wings candiate everyone can get behind but according to poltcail journalits there's already a lot of discontent.

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 07/05/2026 13:20

This made me laugh

To think Starmer will be gone by the end of Friday? Or will it be Monday evening?
EarthlyNightshade · 07/05/2026 13:21

AprilMizzel · 07/05/2026 13:14

Senedd and Scottish parliament are also up - and he's PM for whole of the UK not just England.

Birmigham one of the biggest council and they have around 8 Labour MPs -London also an area with many Labour MP is also having local elections. Then Wales been a strong hold for Labour for decades.

While we many not be voting in UK parliment elections and not everywhere is voting many strong Labour areas are voting for something today and while many local issues with be more prominate the idea these elections can be ignored or dismissed as not relevant to national parties is odd one.

Which way, out of interest, do you think Birmingham will turn?
I find it really hard to predict these days what former Labour voters will do.

plsdontlookatme · 07/05/2026 13:22

I actually don't think that constant upheaval and panic-ousting is a good norm to have, but it seems to have become one since the Brexit referendum. I don't love Starmer's policies but in general, policies take more than 5 seconds to bear fruit. It's like panic-selling when your stocks dip.

MrsFinkelstein · 07/05/2026 13:23

Bloody hell, I absolutely despair at the lack of knowledge about the British electoral system.
It's got to be deliberate, surely? People aren't this naive???

KeepPumping · 07/05/2026 13:23

ByKindNavySwan · 07/05/2026 13:12

Help to buy was Tory invention under George Osborne. HTH.

All he did was continue the bubble Labour started with the free for all on cheap debt, he had to either prop it up or let it pop, none of them want it to pop on their watch although Trump looks like he is going to make them eat the bubble for breakfast soon the way he is going.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2026 13:24

MrsFinkelstein · 07/05/2026 13:23

Bloody hell, I absolutely despair at the lack of knowledge about the British electoral system.
It's got to be deliberate, surely? People aren't this naive???

About what?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/05/2026 13:25

Threeyearoldkids · 07/05/2026 13:18

I don't think he will be gone because the sheer arrogance of the man is astounding.

His is extremely disliked, and he has balsed up loads of times. He bypassed security settings to put a sleaze bag in the top job to hob knob with POTUS.

He thinks we are all thick as shit and we need to be led by the nose by him, who knows what is best for us. He ignores massive issues. I will never forget his priorities when those children were slaughtered in Southport, where I live nearby. I absolutely despise Starmer.

In fact you have just reminded me to vote so I can add my bit to kicking him out when that eventually happens.

Virtue signalling prosecco swigging hypocrite

Edited

Almost nothing you’ve said in this post is an actual criticism of something he’s done - you’re just throwing insults about.

He was wrong to appoint Mandleson. You can see why he did it, but he was wrong. He shouldn’t suffer more reputational damages than those who actually took part in Epstein’s activities though.

Re Southport, he did absolutely the right thing. He didn’t bow down to the far right trying to capitalise on these poor children’s deaths. He let the police etc do their job. His priorities were bang on.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/05/2026 13:25

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 07/05/2026 13:20

This made me laugh

We don;t have fixed terms with fixed elections.

I think we should.

But we don't

The GE is as far away as the PM wants it to be. It could be in like a month (it won't be)

Equally it won;t be 2029

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