To think Starmer will be gone by the end of Friday? Or will it be Monday evening?

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

Whoever you are voting for today, it's probably not Labour - they might loose 2,000 seats.

How long exactly will it be before he resigns?

The PP does not consider the increased tax liability of others to be relevant.

You know, I approach it from the opposite direction - the longer Starmer is in post, the better.

He’s a gift.

Maybe not but dividend tax is paid by 'working' people.

That’s a fair bit of mn summed up. The Labour part anyway.

Do you know him personally?

On a brighter note, it’s highly unlikely Brown will fail vetting (or non vetting) owing to an unsavoury acquaintance.

On that metric alone, well done Starmer.

I’m intrigued. How has that happened?

Maybe
Increased income tax rates on dividend income
or
Increased income tax rates on property rental income
and of course
Increased income tax rates on interest income coming in next April

@Hallowedturf any chance of a link to the article in yesterday's FT, please? I've had a quick glance and can't see it, but my subscription is quite limited.

None of which conflicts with the pledge not to increase taxes for working people. Passive income doesn’t fall into that category.

Sure thing. I have a different definition of a working person than you and Labour. But I'm sure that doesn't surprise you.

I'd quite like to know what that definition is.

Plenty of "workers" pay tax on "unearned" income. Especially those using limited companies (freelancers etc) who've been hit by the increases in employers NIC AND dividend tax rate rises. Lots of workers have money invested earning interest and lots rent out properties. Funny how they were too scared to add the extra 2% income tax on other non-working forms of income such as on pensions!

I don't agree that the forms of income which Labour deem 'passive' mean that the person in receipt of that income has not worked. One does not equal the other.

Sure thing - let me dig it out.

Yep, he isn"t a popular PM, bringing GB back as "special global financial advisor" is just LOL shambolic politics, KS has to just go, they have no one to replace him, they might as well call an election and let Farage have his go.

Are you deliberately obtuse?

Just lost hundreds of Red Wall seats to Reform, and what does Starmer do?

Appoint someone who called a Northern voter a bigoted woman.
That’ll get them back Keir - you go, fella.

Another disastrous error of judgement. They're coming thick and fast as he desperately tries to cling on. Even after watching the complete collapse of his party, the man is still utterly clueless.

Once again - they have increased dividend tax. That is a tax on working people.

100%.

Brown, the world’s worst gold trader, brought in as a global finance envoy - you could not make up this stuff.

This government is a turkey, and Xmas is just around the corner.

You are debating with a brick wall, my friend.

Indeed.

Oh, and it was Brown who bequeathed a fiscal deficit of more than 10% of GDP to the coalition in 2010.

Who can forget Liam Byrne’s - Chief Sec to the Treasury, leaving his ‘There is no money left’ note.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Ps. I have a great trade for all you MN’ers - watch Brown closely, if he BUYS gold or anything else, take the opposite position and SELL it.

Oh my God. Is the traditional joke note still being weaponised by numpties? Some numpties are very behind the times. Even the numpty who started it off has apologised.

"It’s taken more than 13 years but David Laws has finally apologised to Liam Byrne for weaponising that infamous scrawled note jokily saying “I’m afraid there is no money”. The Lib Dem said sorry to his Labour predecessor at an 11 Downing Street bash for surviving Treasury chief secretaries. It was the first encounter between the pair since May 2010, when Laws broke convention by publicly exploiting the private message an outgoing minister traditionally leaves for an incomer when a government changes after an election. Byrne, still Labour’s MP for Birmingham Hodge Hill, later wrote of how he “burnt with the shame” over the publication of the joke, which had been intended for Philip Hammond, a courteous and friendly Tory who was expected to be appointed chief secretary. Still, Laws was forced to quit after only 17 days over an expenses scandal, then lost his Yeovil seat in 2015"

www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-labour-apology-no-money-note