To think the Hantavirus will spreadif

[Jollyjupiter]

If they allow the cruise ship to dock snd passangers travel all over the world.
Symptoms may not show for up to 8 weeks.

Are you an epidemiologist?

Hantavirus isn’t new, there are already 100,000 plus cases a year. It’s normally spread from rodents - I understand that human to human spread is rarer and requires close contact.

It’s not the new covid.

The passengers and crew will self-isolate after they leave the ship.

Some passengers left the ship on 22-24 April and flew home. They are now self-isolating at home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wepl8we90o

We need to lock down NOW 😆

To all the mocking replies...there must be a reason the Spanish gov have been blocking the ship docking in mainland Spain. There is obviously some concern on their part.

I'm more interested in why the media has started saying Cape Verd and not Cape Ver-day as they used to.

Have people moved on from world war 3 panic?

I dont think the cruise ship had the first case in the world

How does asking questions equal panic?

You’re being disingenuous. You didn’t ask in innocent question and you damn well know it. Spain did its own current public health risk assessment and said No, we can’t do this.

Hantavirus has a milder form in the UK but is specifically associated with certain rodents in South America.

I suspect one of two things may have happened. The ship sailed from South America and either the people ill were exposed before getting on the ship or on the ship. It's not automatically 8 weeks from exposure but up to 8 weeks. It can be as little as 1. So my money is on the ship.

The main route for exposure is from the faeces of the rodents. So I suspect that ship has an infestation, perhaps in it's air handling system and insufficient air filtering and treatment. That's probably how it has then caused multiple illnesses on the same boat.

While person to person is possible, it's not probable. Isolation of cases is just common sense at this stage. Spain not allowing them to disembark was overkill. Fact is keeping them on a boat which might still have the causative organism on board is going to do more harm than letting them off.

So YABU. There is no need for alarm. If there was we'd prevent people travelling from South America and we don't. What it says is that the unloved part of food and people safety, pest management, is again probably behind one of the worst incidences on a cruise ship. And there have been some pretty bad ones on cruise ships over the years.

Maybe they're trying to emulate its name in Portuguese - Verde would be pronounced 'verd'. But then they should go the whole hog and give it its proper name - Cabo Verde.
So it's a big fail really 😞

True. But they say "Tener-eef" rather than the Spanish pronounciation which would be "tener-ee-fay".

Questions, questions.

Of course there is. It’s an outbreak, passengers will need quarantining and handled in a way they probably didn’t have the resources for. Nobody wants to be the country that messes that up and allows the spread of that virus either.

Chances are it was caught directly from rats by everyone infected. I'm more worried where the rats are? Left behind at some port of call on the cruise route? On the ship? Spread through all the other ports of call? It is a particular strain of the virus that might not exist everywhere, although it seems most strains are pretty deadly anyway. Person to person transmission is rare and requires very close contact.

After Covid everyone is a bit paranoid about another epidemic or pandemic, but I don't think this is one.

Also they are no where near mainland Spain.

As much as I would love another global lockdown, I don’t think it’ll get to that point. Experts are already working to identify everyone who has been in contact with those infected and are putting isolation measures in place.
Given the chaos of COVID, I imagine professionals will be much more alert and proactive this time to prevent a repeat of 2019/20.

No its hard to spread person to person. But I wouldn't say no to a summer lock down 🍹🌞

Almost certainly this was caught in Argentina when the ship was there. It’s the Andean version and yes, they need to isolate the remaining passengers. Doing it on the ship seems unkind so I’m hope they can transfer them to a unit on land and monitor these people effectively. I’m not remotely scared and we even have this virus here! It’s unusual for human to human spread and I’m not remotely concerned.

Also they don’t want the rats

And the 14 Spanish passengers are being flown to Madrid, on a military plane to a military hospital to stay quarantined until absolutely sure no symptoms appear. No chances taken. Self isolating my arse.

The canaries are easier to get to than mainland Spain Cape Verde maybe didn't have the infrastructure to deal with the situation, by what ive seen on the news they are co ordinating it well. I don't think you need to panic.

The Spanish haven't been blocking it. The regional government of the Canary Islands wasn't keen but the Spanish government agreed it could dock in Granadilla port on the Islands which is under the national government's control, so they kind of overrode CI objections.

@FoundAUserNameDownTheSofa You think they don’t already have them? Southern European countries report several 1000 cases a year!

The speculation on the radio yesterday was that the original couple who have sadly died were travelling in Argentina before boarding and likely introduced it to the ship. Rather than it being down to rodent infestation on board. Sadly the close confines of a ship allow these type of pathogens to spread easily.

I thought it was now generally accepted that the original infection had come from a bird-watching trip in Argentina, to a site on a former landfill site?

No. It is not an easily transmitted infection and no reputable medical person I have heard quoted is showing the slightest concern.

The Canary Islands refused to take the patients due to a lack of facilities not a fear of an epidemic.

YABU.