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To think Kemi Badenoch is starting to talk an increasing amount of sense

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Sonato · 05/05/2026 12:26

Never voted conservative a day in my life.

Seriously comsidering it after recent performances

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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 06/05/2026 15:54

@Senescence I absolutely wholeheartedly agree with this:
We need to look beyond the facile and unenforceable manifestos which are largely propaganda and look instead at the character, values, integrity and intelligence of the candidates and whether they have a sensible and evidence-based approach to things rather than being populists/ ideologues who will say whatever they think people want to hear to gain power and for whom that in itself is the aim, rather than improving life for UK citizens.

I just think anyone who has as a policy that a male violent murderer, with his 160% punch power of female humans (fact), should ever be locked up with women who cannot get away really has lost the plot to the extent they can't be trusted on anything else. It is not evidence-based to lock up male criminals with female criminals, there is a reason we have male and female prisons in the first place and they're not just all mixed-sex. They are taking away these women's human rights.

Oh and then add to that expel anyone who talks about the biological evidence that means this is a bad idea. They have been convicted in court of discrimination against a sex realist Liberal Democrat.

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 15:57

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 15:42

@Senescence '......was a response to another poster who asked me out of the options we currently have available, which one would be the least bad to vote for in terms of not wrecking the economy further, and I have provided my answer with a detailed explanation based on my discussions over time with MPs/ Ministers, my analysis of their behaviour and the competence of the people they have in their parties, their stated policies, and my two decades of working in finance, business, economics and public policy.'

What was you answer? In one word, maybe two. Thank you.

Edited

Sorry I see you've decided Lib Dems, based on your experience. Oh dear. A party which doesn't recognise my existence, isn't an option for me.

Lib Dems think that men can be women (as do the Greens and Labour), and believe in self ID. If men can be women, women as a single sex cease to exist in the eyes of the law. Which it seems they would have to change, given the recent SC ruling.

Imagine being in a world where women don't have single sex rights?

Wtf are people thinking. All the work women have done over the years for women's rights, and here we are with supporters of people who want to throw them in the bin.

juggleit · 06/05/2026 16:10

TransportNerd · 05/05/2026 20:46

Have you seen her at PMQs? Starmer wipes the floor with her every week. She hasn't got a clue.

Are you living in some sort of parallel universe? She hammers him every week at PMQ’s! I love it! He is a delusional globalist ideologue and has done nothing to move the UK into a better position.

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:11

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 15:42

@Senescence '......was a response to another poster who asked me out of the options we currently have available, which one would be the least bad to vote for in terms of not wrecking the economy further, and I have provided my answer with a detailed explanation based on my discussions over time with MPs/ Ministers, my analysis of their behaviour and the competence of the people they have in their parties, their stated policies, and my two decades of working in finance, business, economics and public policy.'

What was you answer? In one word, maybe two. Thank you.

Edited

The least-worst option available is the Lib Dems (sorry it is more than two words).

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:13

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 15:57

Sorry I see you've decided Lib Dems, based on your experience. Oh dear. A party which doesn't recognise my existence, isn't an option for me.

Lib Dems think that men can be women (as do the Greens and Labour), and believe in self ID. If men can be women, women as a single sex cease to exist in the eyes of the law. Which it seems they would have to change, given the recent SC ruling.

Imagine being in a world where women don't have single sex rights?

Wtf are people thinking. All the work women have done over the years for women's rights, and here we are with supporters of people who want to throw them in the bin.

Edited

I understand the concerns about this, and while serious and I agree with you about the nonsense of self-ID for a biological characteristic, this isn’t the biggest risk to the stability, security and living standards of life in the UK at the moment. There is no perfect option: I was asked to say which was the least-terrible based on my professional work and direct experience of discussions with some of these politicians.

JollyDenimSeal · 06/05/2026 16:14

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 15:57

Sorry I see you've decided Lib Dems, based on your experience. Oh dear. A party which doesn't recognise my existence, isn't an option for me.

Lib Dems think that men can be women (as do the Greens and Labour), and believe in self ID. If men can be women, women as a single sex cease to exist in the eyes of the law. Which it seems they would have to change, given the recent SC ruling.

Imagine being in a world where women don't have single sex rights?

Wtf are people thinking. All the work women have done over the years for women's rights, and here we are with supporters of people who want to throw them in the bin.

Edited

I personally think it's possible to vote for a party without having to agree with every single policy they have. I personally could not vote Tory even if they do stand against self ID. I vote snp. I'm no longer a party member but there are plenty of things I do not agree with them on - but surely there has to be some balance. If people voted based on single issues no one would ever vote. Because there are bound to be issues that people do not agree with in every manifesto

Conservatives and many Labour MPs voted for welfare cuts. I'm not going to vote for them with that record.

Upstartled · 06/05/2026 16:15

juggleit · 06/05/2026 16:10

Are you living in some sort of parallel universe? She hammers him every week at PMQ’s! I love it! He is a delusional globalist ideologue and has done nothing to move the UK into a better position.

Yes, she is clear, sharp and unflappable in PMQs. Such a contrast to Starmer who trembles and huffs throughout. Ed Davey, and I'm not a fan of his politics, wipes the floor with him too.

JollyDenimSeal · 06/05/2026 16:15

Only Labour can beat Reform was the postcard I got this morning. Straight in the recycling you go

PenelopePepper · 06/05/2026 16:16

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:11

The least-worst option available is the Lib Dems (sorry it is more than two words).

I am starting to understand how KB's lack of substance is appealing to some. Anything more complex than two words must be too difficult and nuanced.

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 16:16

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:11

The least-worst option available is the Lib Dems (sorry it is more than two words).

Even if that is the case (& I’ll take your word for it as seem to know more than me) - realistically, they wouldn’t win a general election.

Who do you think is second best? (& could conceivably win the next GE)

JollyDenimSeal · 06/05/2026 16:16

Upstartled · 06/05/2026 16:15

Yes, she is clear, sharp and unflappable in PMQs. Such a contrast to Starmer who trembles and huffs throughout. Ed Davey, and I'm not a fan of his politics, wipes the floor with him too.

Stephen Flynn from the SNP also does quite well against Labour.

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:19

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 06/05/2026 15:49

Thanks for this analysis. I wish I could vote LibDems but my local council are run by them and have done the exact opposite of what is needed on economics and everything else locally (e.g. spending money on vanity projects and let the roads decline to the point of unsafety, which is not economically prudent even apart from all the other problems it creates).

Plus I personally can't get past the fact that the LibDems are terrible on women's and girls rights and support locking up women with violent male rapists and murderers. A bit like locking a fox in a cage with hens with similar predictable results (most recently Alex Stewart). This is not decent or kind. They are also terrible on safeguarding which matters to me as I have children. They've expelled members for recognising biological reality, this is very authoritarian.

The problem seems to be for the LibDems, a bit like the Greens, that you have extremely different groups within the party, but their failure to recognise reality and the law around woman's rights is a dealbreaker for me as it makes me wonder what other laws they don't like they'll ignore.

So it's going to have to be Conservative for me. It is such a shame Johnson purged so many of the good Tories, but there we are it is what it is now. Hopefully some will return.

I’ve no idea what they’re like in local politics. I was focussing on the national picture and economics, over which Local Authorities have next to no control. I’m sure vetting of candidates for Local Government (which is basically just glorified administration and totally different to the role of an MP where they are actually shaping national policy, industrial and economic strategy and creating the UK legal framework) is far less thorough - not that it is remotely adequate for MP candidates - and that therefore there are some incredibly incompetent in incapable people in Local Government roles in all parties. That’s not really the subject of the thread though: I appreciate local elections are taking place in many areas tomorrow but the thread was about national politics and Kemi Badenoch re. her competence as a potential Prime Minister, and then progressed onto a more generalised discussion about which political party at a national level had the least incompetent economic approach.

Upstartled · 06/05/2026 16:20

JollyDenimSeal · 06/05/2026 16:16

Stephen Flynn from the SNP also does quite well against Labour.

Yes, he does. Grudgingly, he's got a real knack for delivering a barbed comment.

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:21

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 16:16

Even if that is the case (& I’ll take your word for it as seem to know more than me) - realistically, they wouldn’t win a general election.

Who do you think is second best? (& could conceivably win the next GE)

UK politics is in such a state of flux that it’s perfectly possible for any of the 5 parties to win the next general election. Polls shift wildly up and down. It’s completely up to the electorate whether they wish to start making rational decisions or vote for more self-sabotage.

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:26

PenelopePepper · 06/05/2026 16:16

I am starting to understand how KB's lack of substance is appealing to some. Anything more complex than two words must be too difficult and nuanced.

Yes. Even those engaging with a political thread cannot be bothered to read the thread and think about nuanced or balanced views that are more complex than a 5 second soundbite, which is a good demonstration of how we ended up with the UK crumbling as it is.

Sadly this is why populists who have no viable solutions flourish despite their proposals being plainly idiotic even to my primary school-aged children, succeed in distracting people with irrelevancies and polarising society for their own benefit, and none of the actual issues get addressed. It is a very sad state of affairs.

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 16:29

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:21

UK politics is in such a state of flux that it’s perfectly possible for any of the 5 parties to win the next general election. Polls shift wildly up and down. It’s completely up to the electorate whether they wish to start making rational decisions or vote for more self-sabotage.

Damn I was hoping for an easy answer.

Thanks anyway for the response.

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:31

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:13

I understand the concerns about this, and while serious and I agree with you about the nonsense of self-ID for a biological characteristic, this isn’t the biggest risk to the stability, security and living standards of life in the UK at the moment. There is no perfect option: I was asked to say which was the least-terrible based on my professional work and direct experience of discussions with some of these politicians.

Thanks. No perfect option .. would that there was.. wow what a concept. Imagine..

I guess it then comes down really to personal judgement, discussions with others not withstanding.

For me (and I realise itsnotallaboutmeyousee), it directly affects stability, security, and living standards of life in the UK. If men can be women - every single one of those things, is compromised, if not directly threatened.

JollyDenimSeal · 06/05/2026 16:31

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:21

UK politics is in such a state of flux that it’s perfectly possible for any of the 5 parties to win the next general election. Polls shift wildly up and down. It’s completely up to the electorate whether they wish to start making rational decisions or vote for more self-sabotage.

I don't ever see the Lib Dems or Greens getting enough support to win outright. They might make up some coalition but that's about it. Greens do have some support in Scotland but mainly at Holyrood.

It will be Labour Tory Reform or some kind of coalition

I voted Labour long enough and won't be going back there.

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:32

PenelopePepper · 06/05/2026 16:16

I am starting to understand how KB's lack of substance is appealing to some. Anything more complex than two words must be too difficult and nuanced.

Aw I was waiting for it, and here it is. So predictable. I'll set it up etc ..

PenelopePepper · 06/05/2026 16:34

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:32

Aw I was waiting for it, and here it is. So predictable. I'll set it up etc ..

Yes predictable and fully accurate.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2026 16:34

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:32

Aw I was waiting for it, and here it is. So predictable. I'll set it up etc ..

Yep

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:34

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 16:29

Damn I was hoping for an easy answer.

Thanks anyway for the response.

I wish there was an easy answer!

itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:35

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itsnotallaboutyouyousee · 06/05/2026 16:36

PenelopePepper · 06/05/2026 16:34

Yes predictable and fully accurate.

No babe it isn't. But you do you fangirl x

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 16:38

Senescence · 06/05/2026 16:34

I wish there was an easy answer!

Maybe things will become clearer before the next GE … one can only hope.

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