AIBU to think that Reform pose a real threat to UK democracy?

[Sherbs12]

Reform’s unelected chairman, Zia Yusuf, has announced that Reform will build detention centres housing immigrants waiting for deportation in areas which vote Green (or rather those which don’t Reform). They call this ‘an exercise in democratic consent’ and it’s been - rightfully - condemned by all other parties.

Last week he was threatening to ‘carpet bomb’ areas in which their MP had voted a certain way in parliament.

Obviously, this is detracting from the discovery that Farage received a £5million donation in 2024 when he seemingly changed his mind and decided to run as an MP.

So, while politics can be heated, all parties are open to criticism, we can debate the reasons behind the rise of Reform, AIBU to say that this approach from Reform is unacceptable in a democracy and an alarming indicator of how they would be in government?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/zia-yusuf-reform-uk-migration_uk_69f8483de4b06e9242f51ba4/

It's just a bit silly, surely?

I thought they were deporting all the "illegals"? Now they are keeping them but only in Green areas?

I'd like to see them try ...

Look, they are ALL corrupt. All of them.

They will be kept temporarily in areas which have voted Green, as the Green Party states in their manifesto that they want open borders.

So Green voters get what they vote for.

Seems fair enough to me.

I agree with you completely OP

that person is disgusting…

You do realise that just because there is a Green council majority, all people in that area haven’t voted Green, don’t you? (Not that this is main issue).

Oh good lord, dont use facts and common sense 😀

Surely it’s sensible to put people where they are welcomed?

How does any council set something up in another council area? How does that work?

My goodness - people engaging here as if this is a bureaucratically, politically and morally valid proposition. The mind truly boggles.
By the same logic, I hope Reform constituencies only get the cr** they vote for. As the US example shows, these populists are only interested in their own benefit and will happily shaft you.

And what about making threats to the electorate about what you will do in power if they don’t vote your way en masse? Are you suggesting that we welcome that approach into our political system?

The point being made is, if an area votes Green then surely they will be over the moon to endorse this proposal.

I am not sure why anyone expects Reform to behave like a reasonable democratic party? Surely everyone is familiar with what they are by now?

I can't imagine that anyone who is planning to vote for them gives a shit about democracy, do they? I mean, we've all seen what has happened in the US....

Will the Green areas also get to keep the NHS and stay in the ECHR?

This is straight from Trump. The politics of punishment.

It has existed before - it was just done quietly, not proclaimed publicly. Merseyside knows all about it.

As long as they also get to keep the NHS, SEN provision in schools, worker's rights, maternity leave etc etc.

The Green party has argued for an open borders and an "everyone is welcome" type of approach. While I do not believe that such an approach is realistic or workable in any way, that model is surely very different from the Reform approach in which disgruntled migrants would be incarcerated in detention centres, most likely in pretty dismal conditions?

Oh dear. I hope you’re indulging in asking strangers on the internet indignant questions due to your love of rhetoric and that it isn’t actually a sign of humourless pomposity.

Nah, just interested in politics and a fan of democracy.

Or more sensible to put them in places that have voted for the party saying they are going to build them ?

What happened in Merseyside, please?

I think it's a shocking and appalling suggestion

but NGL, it did give me the giggles
obviously ragingly unfair to individuals who didn't vote Green

He actually didn't need to say anything. If they got in, they would be entitled to process deportees anywhere they like. I wouldn't vote for them, but I think they may have shot themselves in the foot a little bit? Not sure.

Whoever you vote for, the government will get in.

Exactly. If you follow Zia Yusuf's logic properly, the Reform voters who are voting for detention centres should be happy to host these centres in their local communities.

Any migrants placed in Green-voting areas would free to work and integrate into the local community.

The green areas would continue to have human rights and free health care etc, while these things would be abolished in the areas which voted Reform.

Do you talk rubbish every day or is today just special?

It's a very deliberate strategy designed to threaten those voters who (bizarrely!) seem to be wavering between voting Green and voting Reform. Hard to say whether it will work as intended as it's so difficult to understand the mindsets of those people who are torn between two such difficult ideologies.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack "Exactly. If you follow Zia Yusuf's logic properly, the Reform voters who are voting for detention centres should be happy to host these centres in their local communities."

agree. And having lived near a hotel, I'd have had far fewer issues if they were in a detention centre.

I'm baffled by those dithering between Reform and Green. I must be missing something.