Page 15 | Met police are erasing the third victim of the Golders Green stabbing

sunshinestar1986 · 02/05/2026 13:35

tulippetals · 02/05/2026 09:54

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

Wasn't this man mentally ill?

LakieLady · 02/05/2026 13:36

HRTQueen · 02/05/2026 13:14

I wasn’t aware he has been sectioned, he was charged and remanded if that’s the case he was not mentally unwell at the time

personal dispute attacks/stabbings happen all the time rarely are they reported unless the person is very young and or they are very seriously injured

being stabbed because of your faith is a different type of attack and will be reported as it’s a very different crime

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I may be misunderstanding your first sentence, @HRTQueen , but are you saying that being charged and/or remanded is evidence that he didn't have MH issues?

If so, I'd like to point out that the two processes are entirely different and separate. It can take a long time to get the necessary MH professionals in place to authorise detention on MH grounds (over 72 hours in one case I'm familiar with), and if an offence has been committed charge and remand can be a pragmatic means of keeping the unwell person detained.

nomas · 02/05/2026 13:37

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:29

Stop it. Seriously.
Not one person on here has sought to minimise any attacks or prejudice against the Muslim community. Not one.
Jews are living in fear because of the very well documented rise in antisemitism which is terrifying and alarming.

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Nobody should be living in fear and I don’t doubt the Jewish community is scared.

I’m referring to the early attempts on the thread to minimise the attack on Ishmael Hussein (who the thread is about) as a domestic dispute.

sunshinestar1986 · 02/05/2026 13:37

Whysnothingsimple · 02/05/2026 12:53

Well no it’s probably not a national emergency- it’s an international emergency. Antisemitism is happening in many countries. Any right thinking person will realise what’s happening and not seek to minimise it in any way. This is how Hitler came to power- appeasing an anti semite and refusing to acknowledge his evil

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Really internationally?
That's a bit of a bizaare statement

Hoardasurass · 02/05/2026 13:38

Lilacflowers2 · 02/05/2026 12:02

Actually the third victim was attacked on the same day. We don’t yet know what the motives were for any of the stabbings. The attacks on the two Jewish victims have been declared terrorism extremely quickly, while the attack on the third victim, who appears to be Muslim, has been left out of some reports and downplayed in others.
The perpetrator had been released from a psychiatric hospital just a few days earlier. He was severely mentally ill, suffering from psychosis, with a history of random violence. He had stabbed several other people in the past, who were not Jewish, as well as a dog, (religion not specified). It's entirely possible that the stabbing of two of the recent victims was due to them being Jewish, but it is also entirely possible that it was not, or that the man was so unwell that he wasn't capable of acting with any clear motive. Also a crime being potentially racially or religiously aggravated does not necessarily make it terrorism.
The way the government and the press have been handling this is quite odd. The police chief has suggested the need for a special police force specifically for Jewish people. There have been many other dramatic statements that do not seem to be supported by the evidence so far.
Whatever it turns out to be, I think that, however strongly people feel about fighting antisemitism, it is not a good idea to jump to conclusions or to treat attacks against one particular group as more serious than attacks against others. Apart from anything else, it inevitably risks increasing prejudice and resentment toward the group one is trying to protect. This country should take attacks against Jewish people just as seriously, no less and no more, than attacks against people of any other demographic. It's also a shame that the failings of mental health services seem to have been overlooked, and the fact that Nigel Farage, of all people, is accusing Keir Starmer of not caring enough about Jewish people is farcical!

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This man was known to prevent so that along with his travelling to a Jewish area to attack Jews is why they will have been able to classify it as terrorism so quickly.
Funny that you fail to mention that the people and dog he stabbed in 2008 were police officers and a police dog.
It is highly unlikely that someone who is actively suffering from psychosis was released from a psychiatric hospital in fact doing so would leave the hospital open to criminal charges including culpable manslaughter.
The reason that the initial reporting didn't mention the earlier attack is because they didn't know that they were linked at 1st, as soon as it was known it was reported on and is not being minimised. It is however being accurately reported as a domestic dispute rather than an act of terrorism which the other two were.
I wont bother to respond to the rest of your bs other than to ask why are you so determined to misrepresent the facts and deny the fact that this is yet another antisemitic terrorist attack?

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:38

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2026 13:33

Yeah what can you do? They won't change.

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What can I do? I'll continue to call it out and support Jewish people.
I'm not Jewish,. I'm horrified that a minority group in the UK are scared to wear symbols of their heritage and religion, scared to go to their places of worship and scared to take their children to school.
In the UK, in 2026.
That is wrong.

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:40

nomas · 02/05/2026 13:37

Nobody should be living in fear and I don’t doubt the Jewish community is scared.

I’m referring to the early attempts on the thread to minimise the attack on Ishmael Hussein (who the thread is about) as a domestic dispute.

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Right. Then I'm not sure why you attached those articles?

nomas · 02/05/2026 13:43

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:40

Right. Then I'm not sure why you attached those articles?

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Because there is a real issue with immigrant communities not reporting hate crimes.

And assumptions such as the victim lived with the attacker Essa Suleimani don’t help.

Whysnothingsimple · 02/05/2026 13:43

nomas · 02/05/2026 13:37

Nobody should be living in fear and I don’t doubt the Jewish community is scared.

I’m referring to the early attempts on the thread to minimise the attack on Ishmael Hussein (who the thread is about) as a domestic dispute.

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Are you saying that the attack of a Muslim man by another Muslim man who had had a relationship/friendship for 20 odd years was an islamaphobic attack?

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2026 13:43

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:38

What can I do? I'll continue to call it out and support Jewish people.
I'm not Jewish,. I'm horrified that a minority group in the UK are scared to wear symbols of their heritage and religion, scared to go to their places of worship and scared to take their children to school.
In the UK, in 2026.
That is wrong.

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I agree with you 100%.

(was just being a bit facetious, sorry. Sometimes it just feels a bit hopeless trying to argue with antisemitic people. The worst are the ones in complete denial of how racist their views actually are, and we see plenty of those on MN).

wrongthinker · 02/05/2026 13:44

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:38

What can I do? I'll continue to call it out and support Jewish people.
I'm not Jewish,. I'm horrified that a minority group in the UK are scared to wear symbols of their heritage and religion, scared to go to their places of worship and scared to take their children to school.
In the UK, in 2026.
That is wrong.

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I feel exactly the same way. We said 'never again'. But it is happening again - in Britain, this time.

For anyone who struggled to understand how ordinary people supported and abetted the holocaust, here is a real-time replay, with the naice mumsnets mums putting about anti-semitic propaganda before picking the kids up from school.

OVienna · 02/05/2026 13:44

tulippetals · 02/05/2026 09:54

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

The third man was very clearly mentioned on the BBC 10 pm news last night.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 13:44

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 02/05/2026 11:15

I'm horrified that the police officers decided to boot him in the head after tasering him. This could have caused serious brain damage, to a man who can clearly be described as vulnerable. For the Met to insist that this was acceptable and these officers were acting as they'd been trained is horrific.

This senseless brutality has been widely criticised, because one of the known (and intended) effects of using a taser on someone is neuromuscular incapacitation, an entirely involuntary tensing of their muscles. There is no way any suspect could have dropped whatever was in his hands immediately after that, and however hard they kicked him wouldn't have changed that. Anyone who issued with a taser should have known this.

The police's own training materials (https://www.college.police.uk/app/armed-policing/conducted-energy-devices-taser) suggest that a force should consider making a referral to the IOPC after a taser has been deployed against people with mental health problems, especially in "high profile" cases like this one, and as I understand the Met have now done this.

In the meantime, the Met's PR department have swung into action against any criticisism of these officers' actions. I find it chilling that this has extended to Mark Rowley, Keir Starmer and others slagging off Zack Polanski to such an extent that he seems to have been bullied into 'apologising' for simply retweeting a post which contained such well-founded concerns.

The Met are still institutionally racist, and the statistics show that tasers are deployed disproportionately against black people (who are 8 times more likely to have a taser used against them than white people), including children as young as 10, and the elderly.

Last summer, Met officers threatened to use a taser against a 90 year old black woman with dementia, after they'd already handcuffed her and put her in a spit-hood.

Incredibly, there have even been instances of police using tasers against blind people - and then admitting that the officers involved had mistaken their white sticks for weapons.

Oh dear, maybe they should have used kind words to stop him.
The senseless brutality was the stabbing hth.

Vintique · 02/05/2026 13:45

Vintique · 02/05/2026 13:35

Switzerland the place where minarets & burkas were banned, and politically and institutionally v Islamophobic, in case anyone needed that clarified…,

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and just to make it even more clear - the Swiss case is particular to Switzerland, which is notoriously Islamophobic. So it’s bullshit to extrapolate from Swiss data to UK data.

lornad00m · 02/05/2026 13:46

tulippetals · 02/05/2026 10:00

Well that doesn’t fit the narrative does it?

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It certainly doesn't fit whatever narrative you're trying to spin.

The Golders Green incident was an antisemitic, terrorist attack.

The other incident wasn't. It was a personal dispute.

LizzieSiddal · 02/05/2026 13:46

tulippetals · 02/05/2026 10:10

The police have neglected to mention him.

Starmer fails to mention him in his statement.

The media have failed to mention him.

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Do You think every time a woman gets attacked domestically, the police or the PM mention it? No they don’t.

It was mentioned on the day he was charged, numerous times in the media including TV and Radio.

wrongthinker · 02/05/2026 13:46

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Twiglets1 · 02/05/2026 13:46

nomas · 02/05/2026 13:43

Because there is a real issue with immigrant communities not reporting hate crimes.

And assumptions such as the victim lived with the attacker Essa Suleimani don’t help.

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Any issues Muslim people have reporting hate crimes in the UK could equally apply to Jewish people in the UK, and the study you posted did nothing to disprove that.

HRTQueen · 02/05/2026 13:46

LakieLady · 02/05/2026 13:36

I may be misunderstanding your first sentence, @HRTQueen , but are you saying that being charged and/or remanded is evidence that he didn't have MH issues?

If so, I'd like to point out that the two processes are entirely different and separate. It can take a long time to get the necessary MH professionals in place to authorise detention on MH grounds (over 72 hours in one case I'm familiar with), and if an offence has been committed charge and remand can be a pragmatic means of keeping the unwell person detained.

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He hasn’t been section he is in prison as far as I am aware at present

he will have been assessed if he was mentally unwell at the time of the attack

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 13:46

justanotherpassword · 02/05/2026 11:15

I was responding to the comment that Jewish people have been subject to attacks at a far higher scale than any other group. That isn’t accurate.

Or doesn’t it count when it’s someone from a different group? I don’t see Starmer giving 25 million to protect against homophobia or trans people’s rights. What about protecting them from attacks.

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It is accurate though, there are far fewer Jewish people suffering a higher percentage attacks.

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:47

wrongthinker · 02/05/2026 13:44

I feel exactly the same way. We said 'never again'. But it is happening again - in Britain, this time.

For anyone who struggled to understand how ordinary people supported and abetted the holocaust, here is a real-time replay, with the naice mumsnets mums putting about anti-semitic propaganda before picking the kids up from school.

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I'm sure you've watched "The Nazis, A Warning from History". It struck me how many of the interviewees thought that maybe the Nazis weren't too bad, or that Jews had gone "too far". They dominated professions, they were too successful. The conspiracy theories and minimising were still apparent, all those years on.
I feel like I'm in the middle of that now, so god knows what it's like for Jewish people.

CarbonArtist · 02/05/2026 13:48

I’m guessing he realised he was in big trouble after he did the first stabbing and then thought to himself, seeing as he was on his way to a long prison sentence anyway, he might as well go and take some Jewish people out before the police caught up with him.

lornad00m · 02/05/2026 13:49

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:47

I'm sure you've watched "The Nazis, A Warning from History". It struck me how many of the interviewees thought that maybe the Nazis weren't too bad, or that Jews had gone "too far". They dominated professions, they were too successful. The conspiracy theories and minimising were still apparent, all those years on.
I feel like I'm in the middle of that now, so god knows what it's like for Jewish people.

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It makes me sick to my stomach.

As does this whole post.

Antisemitism wrapped in a cloak of 'whataboutism'.

PatriciaRocks · 02/05/2026 13:50

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2026 13:43

I agree with you 100%.

(was just being a bit facetious, sorry. Sometimes it just feels a bit hopeless trying to argue with antisemitic people. The worst are the ones in complete denial of how racist their views actually are, and we see plenty of those on MN).

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No! Don't apologise, seriously. 🙏
I am pleased to see that there have been deletions of some of the worst claims on here.

BackToLurk · 02/05/2026 13:50

nomas · 02/05/2026 12:49

No, I’m saying people minimising it as a domestic dispute when they don’t even live together is wrong.

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The term was domestic/personal. Your position was that it couldn’t be that type of attack as the person involved had ‘travelled’. If you’re rowing back from that then great.