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Met police are erasing the third victim of the Golders Green stabbing

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tulippetals · 02/05/2026 09:54

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) on X

A man will appear in court today charged following a Counter Terrorism Policing investigation into two men stabbed in #GoldersGreen: https://t.co/BgK04EQmyX

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

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Tikitaka20 · 02/05/2026 21:02

samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 21:00

I think they probably aren't.

Edited

What do you mean?

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:03

Tikitaka20 · 02/05/2026 20:58

The report says a physical description of offenders was not obtained in all incidents. So they’re not necessarily wrong.

These stats are for when the CST did get physical descriptions.

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:04

Humdingerydoo · 02/05/2026 21:01

Right, so -

"CST obtained a description of the ethnic appearance of the offender or offenders in 1,385 of the 3,700 antisemitic incidents reported during 2025. Of these, 714 (52%) were described as white – North European; 38 (3%) as white – South European; 123 (9%) as black; 160 (11%) as South Asian; six (<1%) as Southeast Asian; and 344 (25%) as Arab or North African. This breakdown is closer to the typical makeup of antisemitic incident offenders reported outside of Israel-related conflicts. Although the percentage of perpetrators described as Arab or North African remains elevated, it is the first time since 2022 that offenders described as ‘White – North European’ make up the majority."

So in 2025, 52% were described as white. You said the majority were white men. Why are you assuming all of the white perpetrators were men? Or did you not actually read the link before you posted it? It's just that you sounded so confident about it being specifically white men, so now I'm wondering if that was just a lie?

Ok, the majority of attacks were by white men and white women.

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:04

nomas · 02/05/2026 20:56

52%) were described as white – North European; 38 (3%) as white – South European.

So the vast majority are by white men.

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55% is in no world a vast majority. It's a ratio of 5:4, so barely a majority at all.

Meanwhile how do you feel about a cohort of 0.6% of the population being associated with 25% of antisemitic incidents? That means an average member of that cohort is more than sixty times more likely to be recorded as the perpetrator of an antisemitic hate crime that your average white person.

What would that suggest about that 0.6% of the population?

BackToLurk · 02/05/2026 21:05

nomas · 02/05/2026 20:57

Stats already posted three times.

The poster in the chain said the majority are by Muslim men, which isn’t the case. The majority are by white men.

Edited

55% isn’t the ‘vast majority’. At best it’s a slim majority. Looking even slimmer when you bear in mind the percentage in the whole population.

No doubt we’ll be told that it is also the fault of Jews that this figure isn’t higher. Probably they don’t report it properly.

Edited to correct the percentage.

samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 21:05

Emilesgran · 02/05/2026 20:29

That’s not evidence that the same thing isn’t happening with antisemitic violence though - and that’s the problem with your claim that Jews are NOT being attacked more than Muslims are. Compared to their tiny population, there is far more violence against Jews than against Muslims.

And moreover, the vast majority of that violence against Jews in the UK is committed by Muslims whereas violence against UK Muslims is not committed by Jews.

To put it bluntly, Muslims in the U.K. are more likely to be perpetrators of violence against Jews than to be victims of Jews.

I am wow-ing because I didn't realise it was important who the perpetrator was. I think it is hateful that anyone is a victim of hate crime. Don't you?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:06

TwitterRatti · 02/05/2026 20:29

The Jewish voice for liberation?! The anti Zionist movement?! Who declare Israel as an apartheid state? Who'd have guessed you'd choose that particular source for your fact finding mission.

Wayhey @samthepigeon I guess from all your earlier comments we can actually see clearly, if we didn’t before, the agenda you are playing to.

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:06

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:04

55% is in no world a vast majority. It's a ratio of 5:4, so barely a majority at all.

Meanwhile how do you feel about a cohort of 0.6% of the population being associated with 25% of antisemitic incidents? That means an average member of that cohort is more than sixty times more likely to be recorded as the perpetrator of an antisemitic hate crime that your average white person.

What would that suggest about that 0.6% of the population?

The poster said the majority are by Muslims. But that’s not true, the majority are by white people

Will they be back to apologise? Will they heckers.

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:08

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:06

The poster said the majority are by Muslims. But that’s not true, the majority are by white people

Will they be back to apologise? Will they heckers.

Edited

Just to repeat the point, the statistics you posted suggest that an Arab or North African person is more than sixty times more likely to commit an antisemitic hate crime than a white person.

Do you have a comment on that?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:08

Emilesgran · 02/05/2026 20:29

That’s not evidence that the same thing isn’t happening with antisemitic violence though - and that’s the problem with your claim that Jews are NOT being attacked more than Muslims are. Compared to their tiny population, there is far more violence against Jews than against Muslims.

And moreover, the vast majority of that violence against Jews in the UK is committed by Muslims whereas violence against UK Muslims is not committed by Jews.

To put it bluntly, Muslims in the U.K. are more likely to be perpetrators of violence against Jews than to be victims of Jews.

This with bells on.

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:09

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:08

Just to repeat the point, the statistics you posted suggest that an Arab or North African person is more than sixty times more likely to commit an antisemitic hate crime than a white person.

Do you have a comment on that?

Do you have a comment on the lie that the majority are by Muslims?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:10

samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 20:33

Wow.

Yes wow your attempts have been seen through.
Nice try zero cigar.

cathome64 · 02/05/2026 21:11

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samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 21:12

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:06

Wayhey @samthepigeon I guess from all your earlier comments we can actually see clearly, if we didn’t before, the agenda you are playing to.

I have no agenda. Are you saying that all Jewish people are Zionists? That no Jewish person can be anti-Zionist? I don't hate anyone, personally, because of their faith. Do you?

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:12

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:09

Do you have a comment on the lie that the majority are by Muslims?

Since a fair number of white people are also Muslim and will be grouped in the "white" category, I don't think it's a lie. I think a significant number of the 55% of antisemitic hate crimes recorded as being perpetrated by white people were by Muslim white people.

BackToLurk · 02/05/2026 21:12

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:09

Do you have a comment on the lie that the majority are by Muslims?

According to the statistics it is neither true that the majority are Muslims or that the ‘vast majority’ are white. I wouldn’t expect you to apologise for someone else’s comment but you can certainly apologise for yours.

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:13

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:12

Since a fair number of white people are also Muslim and will be grouped in the "white" category, I don't think it's a lie. I think a significant number of the 55% of antisemitic hate crimes recorded as being perpetrated by white people were by Muslim white people.

Ah, so they’re Schrödinger Muslims - white when you need them to be.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:14

nomas · 02/05/2026 20:34

So me pointing out that the Muslim victim is being called an Islamist on this thread about him is playing a fake victim card? Do you even understand how seriously offensive that is?

You are deliberately repeatedly pretending you don’t know what the thread is about .
You are trying to misdirect and obscure all through the thread.
When that doesn’t work yes you are shoving the victim card in too.
The victim isn’t playing any cards, you are, so stop it.

BackToLurk · 02/05/2026 21:15

samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 21:12

I have no agenda. Are you saying that all Jewish people are Zionists? That no Jewish person can be anti-Zionist? I don't hate anyone, personally, because of their faith. Do you?

Where’s your evidence that the alleged rate of underreporting of offences by Muslims explains the massive discrepancy in per capita offence rates?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:16

Tikitaka20 · 02/05/2026 20:35

Sam, in your 18:17 post (now deleted by MNHQ), you said this:

It does not necessarily mean more hate crimes are committed per capita against Jewish people.

I’ve asked you three times to explain this.

You either have not replied to me or, as in this post here, you’ve said Jewish people report more hate crime than other communities.

Please can you answer my question about why you don’t think more hate crimes are committed per capita against Jewish people, compared to other communities?

They won’t answer as it doesn’t fit their agenda.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 02/05/2026 21:18

nomas · 02/05/2026 20:39

That’s not true, the vast majority of anti-Semitic attacks are carried out by white men.

The feck are you getting your none facts from .
Stop lying.

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:19

BackToLurk · 02/05/2026 21:12

According to the statistics it is neither true that the majority are Muslims or that the ‘vast majority’ are white. I wouldn’t expect you to apologise for someone else’s comment but you can certainly apologise for yours.

Actually it was Emilesgran who first said ‘the vast majority’ are by Muslims.

Why not ask her to apologise for the use of the words ‘vast majority’ is relation to Muslims? I’ll wait.

ThreeDeafMice · 02/05/2026 21:19

nomas · 02/05/2026 21:13

Ah, so they’re Schrödinger Muslims - white when you need them to be.

Edited

Actually I think that's your point of view.

The Arab population of the UK is 0.6%. The Muslim population is 6%. There are a lot of Muslim people in the UK who do not look "Arab or north African".

Muslim, but white enough for their antisemitism to be by "white" people in your mind.

oopsBSoD · 02/05/2026 21:20

samthepigeon · 02/05/2026 20:38

To be fair, no organisation is ever unbiased.

But some are more biased than others. For example, some don't seek to defend antisemitic terrorist organisations.

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