Met police are erasing the third victim of the Golders Green stabbing

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https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

I very much hope that the MH aspect is explored in whatever kind of inquiry takes place.

I'm retired now, but until a few months ago I worked with clients with MH issues, (but not in a MH role). At least once a month I had to raise concerns with a client's MH team because their condition was deteriorating. Clients whose care plans included weekly contact with an MH professional frequently didn't see or hear from a CPN or PSW for weeks on end.

I've got to the point where I'm no longer surprised when there is a multiple killing committed by someone with a significant MH history. And I worry for my DB, who has severe MH issues: last time he was sectioned he'd been arrested for criminal damage, but I wouldn't rule out him becoming unwell enough to feel driven to harm others if he disengaged from services.

What exactly is this narrative you seem to be trying to convince everyone of?

Tbh I think the insta news culture needs to be stymied and perhaps instant court orders should now be considered in all such events, with SM outlets, such as X, Tiktok required to instantly block/hold any personal mobile footage from being uploaded too. Not sure how it would work, but there needs to be a push back from instant reporting with virtually no facts.

I am minded of the scene in the plane loo in Die Hard 3(?) where the reporter is tasered and his phone removed. I’d love to see more of that…

The only thing you are right about is that Muslim-on-Muslim attacks are very rarely in the media. That goes for stabbings, shootings, terrorism and wars as well. But somehow, I don't think that's the point you're trying to make.

Christ- the first victim has been mentioned multiple times across the board, so your outraged over an imaginary situation!

He might have MH issues and be antisemitic - how groundbreaking one doesn’t exclude the other!!

Rosens views on anti semitism are not mainstream and was a big supporter of Corbyn - again I would ask anyone confused to look up the Association of German National Jews who supports Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews to see an example of the sometimes complicated relationship between some Jewish people and anti semitism

Correct again, BackToLurk, but again it's hardly a surprise

For too long jew haters have been enabled in pretending there's really not a problem, or that what there is has been massively exaggerated, and you can't really expect them to appreciate the reality becoming known - especially when their own part in it becomes the focus

@FormerCautiousLurker “It is unforgiveable that the first victim of the three has not been acknowledged”
The first victim IS being acknowledged! All over the media. The OP links to a statement by the Met Police claiming they are not mentioned. But if you follow that link, you will see the THIRD sentence says:

“Suleiman was also charged with attempted murder in relation to a separate incident on the same date in Great Dover Street”

very well said!!

Mental Health services are in terrible shape. The NHS in general is in a bad state. I am know where we work we are not allowed to accept referrals unless the person meets secondary care threshold. People are discharged when they are unwell due to the lack of beds.

Antisemitism comes in many forms. We see you OP.

1. Yes it is.
2. Sexual orientation and gender identity are not racial characteristics.
3. It shows that the rate for reported offences against Jews is 1,007.14% higher (or 11.07 times the rate) than against Muslims.

We don't yet know how long the taser was used for. Have you ever been tasered? How do you imagine you might feel between 'pulses'? The involuntary muscle contractions I mentioned can last longer than any gap "between shocks".

In any case, the police guidance (linked to my first post) states clearly that the subject might well be "confused and disorientated after the cycle".

They aren’t lying, it simply wasn’t part of the terrorist attack.
Why are you trying to make something out of nothing?

100%

I’ve done plenty of research, thanks. Just wondering why they have jumped to having the Counter Terrorism unit dealing with this, given the background of the accused, when similar incidents have not been escalated in the same way…

I ‘d appreciate it if you could moderate your tone to be polite when quote replying me, thank you.

And NO, if you google ‘victims of the Suleiman’ you ONLY get details of the Jewish male victims. You have to do a deep search to find reports that actually name Mr Hussein, and even then on the dozen or so I have looked at, he was named several paragraphs AFTER the Jewish victims. As a person raised in a largely muslim family (with several Jewish members, I hasten to add), I can see that this would make Muslim Londoners feel as though they are less important. It also undermines the media narrative that this was an anti-semitic terror attack, when it seems increasingly unlikely it was anything of the sort.

So I stand my by comment that this has been politicised to serve a narrative when a) the Jewish community should absolutely have already have had the additional support and security independently of this event and b) there us a conversation to be had about the mentally ill in this country. And probably 3) the continued failure to get knives off our streets.

@FormerCautiousLurker I tend to think that the CPS should decide what charges should be brought, not random people including people who might be in the public eye. Presumably if the attacker is compos mentis, if he's mentally fit, not delusional, then he can either answer no comment in interview or give answers to why he carried out the attacks. If he's charged and there is a trial, again he can choose to explain or not take the stand. A jury will then decide on guilt or innocence, I imagine there will be multiple charges to cover alternatives.
And, again, just because any well known person has an opinion that carries no more weight than mine.

Yes, this is another attempt to minimise the threat against Jews.

Where there is a track record of mental instability, it obviously does complicate whether actions are ideologically driven, or whether any 'ideology' is blurred with psychiatric incoherency. This man was known to mental health services. He was not affiliated with any organised terrorist groups, as far as we know. Sadly, this is no consolation to the victims or the Jewish community. But the 'narrative' does matter, because it may impact where funding is prioritised to prevent further similar attacks.

I heard early on in BBC news that he'd attacked his roommate before going out to target Jews.

If his roommate was Christian or an atheist would you make a thread about how he was being erased OP?

I think you have an agenda..........

Which similar incidents?

Ah, now your agenda is even clearer. You resent the idea of Jewish people being protected from violence and persecution and think the resources should go elsewhere. You’re not doing much of a job of hiding your bigotry.

Also, violence against women and girls certainly does need to be addressed, but saying it’s being IGNORED is a bombastic overstatement.

So now it’s not the Met Police or the media, it’s Google that’s the problem?

This is one of the most depressing threads I’ve read on here. And yes I’ve read all the antisemitic bullshit on threads here for years.

Do you have any idea how fucking terrifying it is raising Jewish kids in this country right now?

Oh but it’s all ‘blown out of proportion’. It’s some kind of conspiracy.

And yet my synagogue is asking me, a 55 year old mum, to stand outside in a stab vest to do security shifts to help protect the congregation.

Are you proud to live in a country where a nursery school in a park near me has to have a full time security guy, again in a stab vest in case of attacks. Against 2 year olds.

Do you have to look over your shoulder when you go to the bakery, or do you sit in your place of worship and plan how you would escape if a gunman stormed in?

Didn’t think so.

But yes, it’s a disproportionate conspiracy theory. Probably Mossad.

Those annoying noisy Jews with their Holocaust. Send them all back to where they came from … oh hang on a sec…

Actually you don't. A quick Google shows that the initial attack on his friend is also being treated as attempted murder. It's mentioned in numerous reports, it's not hidden, the details of how the day unfolded show clearly that he first attacked his friend then went to Golders Green.