Met police are erasing the third victim of the Golders Green stabbing

[tulippetals]

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2050114417405132857?s=46

I am actually horrified. A third, Muslim, man was stabbed in the attack but he isn’t being mentioned anywhere. How is this allowed?!

It’s not a domestic disputewhen you travel to someone’s home and attack them.

That’s just minimisation.

Yes, I did the same thing and found all three victims are named.

Ok where to start with this.
The laser had been used 4 times and it was not working on him.
The effects of a taser on muscle control ends after the taser is not being activated.
He was still armed and refusing to drop his knife.
It is standard military and police tactics to kick an armed attacker who may have a suicide vest in the head when they are on the ground. This is because if you bend down to use a baton or other non lethal weapons you are putting your vital organs at risk of being stabbed rather than your foot or leg when you kick. You are also putting your own weapons and/or equipment in range of being grabbed.
Kicking someone in the head triggers an instinctive reaction to protect your head allowing you to be disarmed as happened here and it makes it harder to concentrate on detonating a bomb.
The vulnerability of a terrorist mid attack is irrelevant.
ZP is a moron who even his own party are condemning.
The police used reasonable force to disarmed and apprehend a dangerous terrorist and protect the public.
The only people who are condemning the polices actions are antisemites and idiots who dont understand what is considered reasonable force in such situations or that if armed police were there he would have been shot in the head and killed outright but still open mouths and spread nonsense

Not true. Christian Lacey murdered his mother and then went around to his grandmother’s home and attacked her and her carer. Very much domestic/personal. I also recall examples in the US of mass shooters first targeting people they know.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/christian-lacey-liz-lacey-murder-15584632.amp

the figures (the actual ones, not the twitter made up ones) for attacks on Jews for 2025 come with a rather important proviso from the government that they
do not include data from the Metropolitan Police Service
which, considering Greater London has approximately 50% of all UK Jewish households, is pretty bloody significant. MPS recorded a 113% increase in hate crimes against Jews in 2024 so excluding those makes the official recorded figures likely to be wildly underestimated

I honestly didn't know that, @MandyMotherOfBrian, and while as you say it's ridiculous it's only too easy to see why omitting such stats might have been appealing to some

Okay, I'll bite @tulippetals .. the police and media and government are ignoring the third victim because he is a black Muslim man. Since the Jews control the media, the police and the government (and the global financial system too), it's only the stabbing of two Jews that is concerning anyone here, so the black Muslim victim is being erased. Who cares when a black man, or a Muslim man, or a black Muslim man is stabbled? We need to give all the attention, time and public funds to the Jews!!

None of this is true, of course.

But what is absolutely true, but what is true, @tulippetals is that you are filthy, ignorant racist and were hoping to get people here agreeing with your filthy, ignorant racism!

I agree.

Whataboutry at its finest.

Whilst the only acceptable number of attacks is zero, I think you’re confusing ‘attacks’ with ‘incidents’.

The number of physical attacks is 5% of the total number of incidents. Most incidents are verbal, which are also unacceptable of course.

@tulippetals , is that what’s vile or is attempting to reframe the latest in a list of antisemitic attacks where the vileness lies?

I suppose it’s an easy assumption when the alleged attacker had known the victim for 20 years

Ishmael Hussein was not Essa Suleimani’s mother though.

You’re making a false equivalence. They’re not related.

I find it ridiculous that people seem to be incapable of reasoning that perhaps the attacker had more than 1 thought in his head that day. It's entirely possible that he attacked his friend for 1 'reason' then set off to Golders Green for another 'reason'.

@Lilacflowers2
“We don’t yet know what the motives were for any of the stabbings”
’We’ may not, but the police know more than the general public. Counter terror has investigated, and following that, the perpetrator has been charged. It’s wilfully ignorant to pretend no-one has any idea what the suspect’s motives might be when he travelled to a Jewish area to attack Jewish strangers. There’s nothing ‘odd’ about it. Police have reason to believe terrorist motives, suspect charged, trial will be held then general public will know more details.
“It’s entirely possible that the stabbing of two of the recent victims was due to them being Jewish, but it is also entirely possible that it was not, or that the man was so unwell that he wasn't capable of acting with any clear motive”. Again, this will come out at trial but he travelled to a Jewish area to attack Jews, and just as if someone went to mosque to attack Muslims, we can be say on the balance of probability there’s a racial motive behind it. Whether there’s a terrorist motive depends on whether there’s an intent to advance a political, religious, racial or ideological cause by using violence. Again, the police and counter-terror, in course of investigation, clearly believe this to be the case.

Why do you believe there to be something strange or unusual afoot?

“however strongly people feel about fighting antisemitism, it is not a good idea to jump to conclusions or to treat attacks against one particular group as more serious than attacks against others”

What you have missed, or perhaps do not care to acknowledge, is that the very real threat against the Jewish community is of a particular nature, and rising fast, not least because it is backed by powerful state actors (Iran). These incidents are becoming more and more common. It’s not about treating anybody of a particular group differently, it’s about responding to different threats which affect different groups differently. Just like the threat of violence to women and girls involves different factors to e.g. male on male violence . We try to tackle all contributing factors to reduce violence.

please ask yourself, why is that so offensive to you?

Agreed
Googled it

All 3 are mentioned.

This is man who also attacked police men and stabbed police dog/s.

He should have been in a psychiatric hospital.

Given that the perpetrator is a "random psycho", it's highly likely that there is some degree of diminished responsibility in his behaviour. If so, his decisions and behaviours can't be judged by normal standards or explained in rational terms and that includes his decision to go and stab Jewish people.

People having a MH crisis are often capable of doing quite complex things, but that doesn't make their decisions or actions rational. Even in the height of a psychosis and while sectioned under the MHA, my DB managed to make his way from the AMHU near the Essex coast to my home in Sussex. He managed to navigate the public transport complexities and find his way to my house, despite never having been to my town before and it being in the days before smartphones, so no looking up train times or maps or anything.

He felt compelled to come and see me to tell me that he'd finally got to the bottom of a longstanding family mystery, his explanation of which was the biggest load of delusional nonsense I've ever heard. And I had to sit and listen to it for 8 hours before the police and a psych nurse came and got him!

Presumably this applies across the statistics including incidents of Islamaphobia? So the same principles apply?

Is @tulippetals point only sane people attack Jews? Because that’s how it appears.

I would say all religious terrorists could claim demonised responsibility. Imagine killing people over some imaginary entity. Or the Charlie Hebdo murderers - going on a killing spree cos someone drew a picture of a bloke who’s been dead for over 1500 years. Surely the definition of insanity. That is not the action of a rational human being.

Well said.

No. I’m arguing that saying that people don’t travel to commit domestic/personal attacks is clearly nonsense. I mean I can give you, for example, a list of cases where men have travelled to attack partners or ex partners if you want.

There are government statistics on what has been reported and which group suffers the most hate crimes.

In England & Wales in the year ending March 2025, Jewish people suffered 106 religious hate crimes per 10,000 population.

This compares to Muslims suffering 12 religious hate crimes per 10,000 population.

Christians and No religion were both 0 per 10,000 population.

The numbers of Jewish people suffering religious hate crimes will have only increased over the year from April 2025 to March 2026, along with the general rise in antisemitism we see in society.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025

And, from experience I can say many should be permanently in a psychiatric hospital. It's not going to happen though.

Again, Ishmael Hussein was not the attacker’s partner, so you’re making a false equivalence.