Don't like Farage but..

[TheBlueKoala]

I do agree with him that foreign nationals shouldn't be able to claim benefits and to scrap PIP for mild mental health issues. And that the money saved should go into mental health care so that everyone with mild mental health problems can access NHS care rapidly.

So you're saying because a child with disabilities can go on holiday with school staff who aren't specially trained that they are milking the system and aren't really disabled?

Nobody does get PIP just for mild mental health problems. You get PIP for conditions that seriously impact your daily life, If someone seems to be getting PIP for mild mental health problems, either the problems are more severe than you realize, or they are in addition to the main condition for which someone is receiving PIP (e.g. they are mildly anxious in addition to being blind or a wheelchair user or receiving a long course of chemo, etc,.)

At the end of the day it's possible to partly agree with the vile creep. I probably agree with a little of every party's issues

But the total of what he stands for: populist, hate filled bile, reference to net stupid zero, alignment with trump and EVERYTHING that brings, lies and exaggeration, approach to the nhs, history of saying lots, doing nothing who he's funded by... etc etc...

Well overall i despise the toad. He's only in it for himself

So as someone else has said PIP cash wouldn’t go into schools - though I’m not disagreeing they need more cash too.

Telling parents to take more responsibility for their kids - in what way? They are responsible for them legally.

If you mean not everyone seems to give kids the best opportunities then that is just in your opinion and they are probably doing the best they can and the best they know - without support, without enough cash to feed everyone, possibly from a similar background themselves.

It just isn’t so simple as to say what you wish/think and it will happen!

Take more responsibility for children - not be on benefits or have kids who get disability benefits I assume

Yep, I should definitely have foreseen that my DS would develop life changing disabilities at age 15 which will never get any better, only worse. Got it.

I think there are honestly a lot of people out there who don't realise that they are one major accident or serious illness away from this being them.

@Underthinker it might be that those eligible to receive PIP also have diagnoses of ADHD or/and anxiety alongside other diagnoses and not as a stand alone primary diagnosis. Autism and learning disorder can be accompanied by ADHD, tic disorder, anxiety etc and physical disability can be accompanied by severe depression and anxiety. None are mutually exhaustive.

So there may be some double counting going on that gives a false impression. This is not significant in regard to actual PIP claims where the full picture is known but can be used for political purposes to use limited information to attack if your aim is to target the disabled as undeserving to justify cutting disability benefits.

Shock, horror child with autism and ADHD with an EHCP transfers from DLA to PIP with high rate care doesn’t provoke the required outrage. Where’s the Botox, the gel nails the abseiling in Mexico! It’s all media following the outlier to convince the ill informed that the poor and needy are the problem. Because the media are not owned by those with an agenda.

It was an accident that caused me to get lcwra. A freak one. My benefits are for a limited time till I recover - so I'll be off them very shortly. My mental health issues were caused by trauma over a period of about a year - nothing I could do to prevent it

It's there there's nothing wrong with you/them that I find hard to take. I barely coped when things were at their worse. I could not have held a job down. But the dwp said nothing wrong with you. I'm not work shy. I'm not a malingerer. I'm not milking the system. I sat for almost two years unwell on less than 400 pounds a month UC and just as I was offered a job - I had an accident.

This! My DS will appear in the PIP statistics as having depression. But he isn't getting PIP for that - the depression is a comorbid condition that comes with his overall disability. Other lovely issues that come with the main one (dislocation/subluxation of minor and major joints) are constant pain and fatigue, cardiac problems and gastrointestinal problems alongside the depression.

But his depression is such a convenient hook for the haters to hang their prejudices on.

Couldnt agree more

Probably not but I was asking the poster who said Reform had stated there would be no NHS under a Reform government to show me where they have said that.

Why does anyone need to cite anything from a party led by the man who promised us prosperity and global winning, which is still to materialise ?

You'd have been better off asking what pledges have Reform kept. Lower council tax, maybe ?

Parents need to support schools and teach their children to respect others. Of course there are many many wonderful students and parents. But just about every problem we encounter at school stems from the parents. I will give you one tiny example. Total phone ban in school. I suggest a student does not need to go home sick, when it’s at the end of lunch and they admit they were fine in lunch. Student then leaves and phones parent immediately. You tell parent we don’t allow phones in school. They tell you it’s their human right to be allowed to call home during the school day…..
or dare I say. Parent requests food bank referral.
student then lets slip they are off on holiday the following week, so won’t be in school and they were late for school as Mum had a Botox appointment at 9.
I have worked as a sister in a busy teaching hospital. It was far better resourced than schools. We also had the right to tell adults when they were wrong.

If they need extra money to support their every day needs, why are they completely capable at school? Why would you want your so called extremely vulnerable child going to the opposite side of the World, if in reality the staff going have done a 2 hour online course in their medical condition? Do they put all this down in the application. Too right they don’t.

yes. If you get everything paid for.
My sister has MS, in a wheelchair a lot of the time and works full time. And earns great money.
so not sure what your point is.

Hasn’t everyone got mental health issues, with all the stress of today? What happens when PIP payments are more than the country can get in increased taxes? Do we all go on it and say we can’t cope? Or do people genuinely want the working people to keep paying out more and more? Because we are losing so many young talented people. Who will pay for future pensions?

Ah ok. So you also can’t find the quote either where Reform have apparently said they will disband the NHS.

Why bother replying to my post?

I have ptsd because I was stalked and threatened for over a year and police would do nothing for me. I had a breakdown two years ago but according to you I shouldn't get the amount I get in Pip for my mental health (just over 70 pounds a week).

You don't seem to be reading anything that people have posted. Disability benefits account for 6-7 per cent of Uk government spending

Mental health actually kills some people. My family have lost two people to suicide in the past three generations

You don't have the first clue about anything I have been through over the past 6 years. I couldn't cope. Is that quite good enough for you?

I also smashed my leg to pieces two years ago. Should I not have claimed Pip then even though I'm classified as disabled - because some random person on mumsnet thinks I shouldn't get Pip.

it's no big deal because "everyone has mental health issues". I worked and paid taxes for over 27 years. You seem to be selectively referring to the parts of my posts that suit your narrative and ignoring everything else.

You can’t live on 70 pounds a week

I get just over 70 pounds a week for the mental health element of my Pip. Go look up the rates if you don't believe me.

I think more medical treatments/resources etc should be available for people with disabilities, rather than just payments. We've all heard of those who abuse the process, and we all know people who suffer terribly with disabilities who do not get given what they need on the NHS, and apply for PIP/DLA and are refused it. Supplying what the person actually needs would make it fairer (and yes, that will vary from person to person).

It's a tiny percentage of people who abuse the system and yes there are people who miss out that should get it. There are some people who rely on Pip or adp who work who rely on the payments for taxis for example depending on their condition - supplying treatments in particular would be pretty unworkable in my view. Some people wait years for therapy. I waited 8 months

I don't think its fair to withdraw Pip payments to people just because a minority abuse the system

Nothing is going to cure my DS. His condition is permanent and degenerative. What he needs is what he gets - money to take a taxi to work when his joints are so bad he can't wheel his wheelchair to the bus stop. A stash of ready meals to nuke when he comes home from work and can't cook because he is too exhausted and in too much pain.

Aside from the fact that complicated systems that force recipients to account for every penny they spend are demeaning, they would also not work - they would cost a fortune to administer.

But of course bringing in such things would give people who don't understand disability and how complex it can be a lovely warm glow of self-satisfaction.

Ok so my mum moved to the UK at 18 to work, which she did (and paid tax) until she retired at 63. And you're saying that she shouldn't be entitled to a State Pension?

A lot of people wouldn't class the State Pension as benefits. They like to forget it's the biggest component of the UK's benefits bill. Strange, that.