Voting for Reform.the north/south

[Jollyjupiter]

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

The EU puts billions into the transition and regeneration of former coalfield communities. Obviously we're no longer eligible for that.

Yes it’s really interesting. Biggin Hill I think will definitely go reform, whereas Crystal Palace/ Penge there’s little chance. I’m in Darwin ward, which looks likely to stay Tory.

The YouGov poll (I think that’s what I was looking at) seems to positively correlate age, and negative correlate percentage of ethnic minorities, and percentage of people educated to degree level with reform votes, so theres much more to it that North/South.

London is much more variable than think! The outer Boroughs are very different to inner London.

But no seems able to explain exactly how Reform intends to improve on these areas of concern, how its feasible, how they will overcome the barriers, how its going to be done without great cost, or why they have confidence Reform are capable of it given the scarcity and quality of their candidates, and their track record where they do have some power.

Farage is incredibly good on exposing the electorate’s raw nerves ie boats, asylum seekers, immigrants (though he likes them well enough for his personal life) but he’s got precious little to say about solving these standing and intractable problems. Yes, people are rightly fed up but seeking quick fixes that just will not happen is not the solution.

Both Reform and the Green Party are offering quick fixes that are going to make life worse for everyone. Edited to add: except for lining their own pockets.

Actually, my area cancelled an election because the authority would be abolished soon and I was really pissed off as I had no opportunity to vote for someone who would represent my views on what the new authority should look like. I was proper pissed off. They went with West and east and we got lumped with loads of areas in deficit.

I'll be voting Reform for the Senedd because of Plaid's insistence on gender self ID. I think people will be surprised how well Reform will do here, not least because people are keeping quiet in case they're accused of being racist. I've never voted Reform before.

The only people who should be voting reform are white rich healthy straight males who don't mind going to war. Anyone else who votes for them are stupid as the party hates you.

The older, wealthy generation who got everything handed to them...

If this is your level of comprehension then its not worth even reading the rest of your post.

Shock horror. After 40-50 years of working away every day, older people somehow have managed to accumulate more savings than 20-somethings.

This dog-whistle of generational unfairness is as distasteful and wrong as anything Reform spouts.

Would love to hear why too.

Why should I vote for a party who wants to take away ILR where people spent thousands of pounds in applications and visa renewals, integrated into British life, have very likely had British children, may not be allowed by their home country to hold two passports, and are paying taxes? Why vote for separating British families and people who have come in the legal way?

Complaining about illegal immigration yet want to get rid of those who did come through legally makes zero sense.

Reform voting against a bill aimed at preventing workplace sexual harassment.

Farage and his views of Andrew Tate 🤮

Pretty much Reform’s so-called way of protecting women and plenty of other reasons not to want to vote for Reform.

Are they? They have taken money away from some people and they have raised unemployment. National debt interest repayments have risen. They have introduced tooth brushing in some schools and underfunded breakfasts. Small boat arrivals are up, but net migration is down which doesn't usually signal a booming economy. Waiting lists are supposedly down but I have had to go private because my NHS physio referral resulted in an AI consultation so I'm very sceptical.

In some cases it might. But if you are going in to the conversation thinking the only reason you are engaging is to educate and change minds then you haven’t really changed the perspective that you find them ignorant- people are incredibly good at picking up micro cues.

People change their minds all the time. The guardian had yesterday that across the British Indian community support for Reform has risen from 4% to 13% in a year. That kind of swing is people changing their minds- not having a broad ethos and tactically voting to deliver an outcome

Thick racists is all parts of the country sadly

Labour have just signed a new deal with France to stop the small boats so they are doing something

Will this be as effective as smash the gangs and one in one out?

Anywhere with vast pockets of deprivation will likely vote Reform and historically that has always, and continues to be, the north and Wales. Poor people are weirdly now more likely to be right wing and I say weirdly because Labour generally put more money in their pockets…

Who knows but at least they are trying something new which is no different then what reform would be able to do.

Its because all they hear is get the foreigners out their taking our jobs 🙄 what they don't realise is they will be absolutely screwed under a reform government

As a proud Northerner I can tell you not a CHANCE am I voting Reform, and none of my friends are either.
I'll go as far as saying I think anyone voting Reform who are working class like round here are absolutely batshit, because it's kind of like repeatedly punching yourself in the arm and then wondering and crying why it hurts. 🙄
When Farage and Reform come out with the crap they do about benefits (which we all may need someday, whether through job losses or health reasons) or the women need to be staying at home (can't remember who said that this week but someone did) we're all suffering under them imo.

I think they’re losing supporters, a few will believe in their policies still but they’re losing many to Greens and Reform.

They -Reform and Farage -DIDNT do this though did they?
The people voted to leave -only we didn’t have a ‘leaver’ in charge did we?
So it was not don’t correctly and that is why we are in the shit show we are in.
People who voted leave wanted to regain control of our borders - well that’s got even worse and despite his repetition Starmer hasn’t manged to ‘smash the gangs’has he - as if that was never ever going to work.
People wanted to stop ‘human rights’ lawyers who seem to have everybody’s human rights at the front of their minds apart from the people who are paying them - which is the tax payer.
People wanted to see the steel works beimg re invested in and providing jobs, for ports to have the ability to send out boats and for our government to stop French, Spanish and Dutch horrendous overfishing in OUR waters.
To stop boats throwing fish Back because they hauled too much. Madness.

Yes get us out of the ECHR as it’s not fit for purpose any more
. When the human rights of people who came here illegally are more important than the h7man rights of those who have lived here for centuries something is terribly wrong,
Why are taxpayers paying for top level barristers to defend the rights of a rapist to stay here? Or murderers?
Why don’t we check the fingerprint/dna of every single person who comes here?
America checks fingerprints and biometric scans but not the uk.
’Human Rights’.
Those of us who voted Brexit -the majority- are equally as frustrated as remainers as the ‘pretend’ Brexit we got is nothing like what we voted for, Frankly I think Jeremy Corbyn an ardent Euro sceptic might have done a better job.

I don’t think that’s the case. Reform is benefitting from the collapse of the Tory vote. Nothing ever came of the Labour big name Farage was boasting about a few weeks ago.

I don't know anything about green but I don't understand why anyone especially women would vote reform. Wants to go to war, wants to privatise the nhs, hates women, disagrees with gay marriage, against abortion, hates disabled people. It will be a man's world and it will be like we've gone back in time 50 years.

So who will you vote for? More Labour? How good have they been for the north? Tory?
These parties are dead in the water,
Dont you think the welfare bill needs some sort of shake up?? It’s bigger than the income from income tax!

Genuine question the people voting reform would you also vote trump if you lived in the U.S

Yes get us out of the ECHR as it’s not fit for purpose any more

This to me is absolutely insane. It's the European Court of Human Rights. Which protects our human rights. All human rights (which means including yours.)
Scrapping it would put your human rights at risk.
Or is that ok as long as pesky "boat people" get theirs taken away too?!

Im also a northerner and will be voting labour. They kept us from going to war thats good enough for me