Voting for Reform.the north/south

[Jollyjupiter]

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

I’m in the North and thankfully everyone I speak to is of the same view as me - that Farage and co are dangerous and we need to do what we can to stop them getting any power locally.

Maybe the fact that a lot of us are parents of children with additional needs who are petrified what they will do with any power is part of the reason.

Check the councils they have already got control of, and see how well they are doing (clue: they aren’t doing what they said)

I have a friend who works in one, the Reform lot came in filled with Bravado about cutting lots of waste, and not increasing council tax. Despite trying, there was no waste to cut, statutory services that they had to provide (which seemed to come as a shock), and they raised council tax.

You get a few performative things such as taking down LGBT flags, but other than that they have made no difference, and in some spaces made things considerably worse.

Yep. I won't be voting reform, and think it'll be an absolute disaster if they get in (I live in one of the Reform run councils & council tax has gone up..). But stereotyping, ridiculing and patronising people who are at their wits end and looking for change, is not the way to prevent a party like Reform getting in.

And this is the problem, we have an ageing population. That costs& getting rid of immigrants won’t change that

Like removing the two child cap. Something the majority of the population did not want removed and Labour said they wouldn't remove if they hit into power. Great, democratic decision there....

Raising taxes on business so now we have rampant unemployment. Increasing youth MW when young people are already struggling to get a job.

Yes, great work!

Calling people who were thinking of voting Brexit racist idiots was also a catastrophic shit show.

Are you saying we should do more of the same?

Yougov is part owned by Reform supporter and former MP Nadim Zahawi. They have in the past been accused of using poll manipulation, so be careful.

But people won’t vote for politicians who tell the truth

Nope. You get fuckwitts everywhere op.

NHS waiting lists down. Economy growing. Less children in poverty.

Who would you like to pay for things? Someone has to pay tax and I don’t think businesses should be exempt.

Wow the assumption that everyone older is rich . Well done for reinforcing the usual tropes . No it doesn’t seem to be anything to do with finances . It’s the erosion of law and order . It’s the not being encouraged to celebrate Britishness . It’s the increased hatred of Jews , it’s the never ending marches for this that and the other , it’s the huge benefits bill . It’s that nothing works anymore . It’s that the Greens are barking mad . It’s that the two main stream parties have let the country down . No one has a clue who to vote for because there just isn’t a sensible mainstream option . Reform are a better option than the Greens where the whole order of society will break down . It’s a myriad of reasons but not financial and not just the rich .

Spot on.

Call a spade a spade. The less tolerant we are of these horrendous views the better.

It's surprising that you (or anyone else) think governments have ignored the issues of benefits and immigration. They've put them front and centre for decades, well ahead of anything that actually matters and would make a tangible difference to the electorate. In doing so, they've allowed the rise of quasi fascistic far right parties like Reform who exploit worried people to gain power and, in the case of Mr Farage, attention.

Same

The difficulty also with predicting the next GE is that we do now have a genuine multi party system in FPTP, with a leading party who get probably 25% of the votes but are loathed by a majority outside that bloc, and we're potentially in coalition territory.

The welfare bill is big because we have an ageing population, that impacts productivity. All we have done the last few decades is heap the debt on the young & not invested in them.

Changing that is a mammoth task & needs cross party consensus if change is even possible.

Well the one tension age generation in this country IS the wealthiest generation in Britain. That’s a fact.

The benefits bill is so large because 48% of state benefits are the pension, which is protected by the triple lock. But nobody is ready for this conversation because, as I said - it’s one generation pulling the ladder up after themselves. They’re willing to bankrupt the nation in order to protect themselves. They’re happy for the most vulnerable in society to be relentlessly attacked in order to maintain status quo for themselves. Look at the absolute uproar to the removal of the winter fuel allowance for people earning more than £35k! That’s more than the median wage in this country. But for some reason they deserve £150 of tax payer money?

100 percent agree with this.

So many posters in this thread are like Andrew Doyle’s spoof character after Jeremy Corbyn lost the election, ‘the problem was we didn’t call people racist often enough.’

Or like the spoof Labour advert in the run up to the election JC lost ‘ You’re thick and you’re racist. Vote Labour’.

Top tip. If you want to win people over to your preferred party, stop insulting them and start listening to them, and doing something about their concerns.

Reform is the party no one will admit to supporting but will get their vote quietly despite the outrage from the left on here trying to insult anyone who vaguely wants to get this country back on its feet

• Yep they have:
• Housing & Infrastructure:Initiated planning reforms to accelerate building homes, including identifying "grey belt" land, and introduced the Renters’ Rights Bill to increase tenant protections.
• Energy & Environment: Scrapped the onshore wind ban, approved new solar farms, and launched Great British Energy to invest in clean power.
• Transport & Public Services:Began bringing railways under public ownership, provided local councils more control over buses, and established a Border Security Command to manage migration.
• NHS & Health: Secured funding for thousands of new GPs and agreed to pay deals to end resident doctor strikes.
• Economy & Skills: Launched "Skills England" to reform education and training, set up a National Wealth Fund, and increased the minimum wage.
• Education: Began the process of recruiting 6,500 new teachers and started rolling out free breakfast clubs in primary schools.

Their comms is crap though and they haven’t shouted enough about the things they’ve done that have been really positive for our lives.

Reform would be an absolute shit show. I honestly can’t understand why people think voting for multi millionaires is going to help them. They are merely self interested. It’s insane

Also @hattie43i do not believe reform are a better option than the greens. They will entirely dismantle the NHS and move towards a private insurance system. How will the pensioners pay for that?

Oh, they’ll just demand a state funded system to help them out.

The state pension is the largest transfer of wealth from working people to one of the wealthiest generations in history.

Oh how I love reading threads about Reform. The posters who feel morally superior because they vote for a different party and who could never associate with such a person who would vote Reform, it's hilarious. Not to mention embarrassing and unintelligent.

How will reform do this? Detailed points please not just “they’ll stop the boats and cut benefits”

You will destroy this country.