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Voting for Reform.the north/south

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Jollyjupiter · 24/04/2026 00:16

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

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EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:48

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:47

Oh right, maybe I should have said. I'd never vote Conservative anyway, so my dislike of their leader is purely in the abstract.

I felt the same about Thatcher. What a waste for the first woman PM to be someone who actively worked against women's rights. Badenoch has succeeded despite the structural racism that she went on to deny existed..Yes nobody has any obligation to speak up for any group but if you're coming from a particular standpoint, how odd to completely deny that. So I stand by my description of her as odd.

Well you’re adding to her barriers then. I’m sure she has had a lot that’s similar.

Good on her for being so successful despite it.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:48

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:40

That’s fine, you can not vote for KB for policy reasons but I do think it’s a shame when the line is there’s ’something odd’ about her.

It’s probably one of the barriers she’s faced so far to receive this kind of dismissive othering.

And again, if you could refrain from insinuating that I'm a racist, particularly given you have no idea who I am bar being a stranger behind a screen, that would be great, ta.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 16:49

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:47

Oh right, maybe I should have said. I'd never vote Conservative anyway, so my dislike of their leader is purely in the abstract.

I felt the same about Thatcher. What a waste for the first woman PM to be someone who actively worked against women's rights. Badenoch has succeeded despite the structural racism that she went on to deny existed..Yes nobody has any obligation to speak up for any group but if you're coming from a particular standpoint, how odd to completely deny that. So I stand by my description of her as odd.

Do you now. “Odd” is she. Righto.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 16:50

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:48

And again, if you could refrain from insinuating that I'm a racist, particularly given you have no idea who I am bar being a stranger behind a screen, that would be great, ta.

All we can do is judge you by what you’ve said on here 🤷‍♀️. How do you define odd?

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:51

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:48

Well you’re adding to her barriers then. I’m sure she has had a lot that’s similar.

Good on her for being so successful despite it.

I'm adding to her barriers by.... Not voting for her?

You strike me as someone who makes up their mind and doesn't let any evidence stand in your way or change your fixed beliefs. So if you want to continue to suggest that I'm a racist, I will just have to hope that my posts, on the whole, would suggest otherwise.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:51

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 16:50

All we can do is judge you by what you’ve said on here 🤷‍♀️. How do you define odd?

Oh I'm sure you could lay your hands on a dictionary.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:52

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:51

I'm adding to her barriers by.... Not voting for her?

You strike me as someone who makes up their mind and doesn't let any evidence stand in your way or change your fixed beliefs. So if you want to continue to suggest that I'm a racist, I will just have to hope that my posts, on the whole, would suggest otherwise.

As said in pp don’t vote for her. It’s the ‘something odd’ line that I’m sure she has come up against, unfairly.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 16:53

Of course I can @ForWittyTealOP. But none of those definitions describe Kemi B. So why are you all describing her as odd? I’ll draw my own conclusions as I can read your posts. Personally I think Kemi is great.

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 16:54

I don’t think she’s odd. I think she’s rude, abrasive and disrespectful, as well as having a completely closed mind. Added to which she’d have taken us to war two months ago.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:56

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:52

As said in pp don’t vote for her. It’s the ‘something odd’ line that I’m sure she has come up against, unfairly.

Oh so it's not odd to deny structural racism exists. Sorry, I can't agree with you there.

If it makes you feel better, I think there's something odd about anyone who wants to be a top-ranking politician. Whoever they are.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 16:56

Fair enough @Blossomtoes, at least you can back up your opinion with a lucid argument. I’ve had it with posters branding her “odd” when she isn’t and also when the sub-text is pretty offensive.

Gtfto2024 · 24/04/2026 16:57

Which of these floats your boat?
The racists? The Holocaust deniers? The anti-vaxxers? The ones that tick all of the boxes?

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Reform-Dossier.pdf

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Reform-Dossier.pdf

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:58

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 16:54

I don’t think she’s odd. I think she’s rude, abrasive and disrespectful, as well as having a completely closed mind. Added to which she’d have taken us to war two months ago.

Well yes, that too. But I can't imagine being a black woman who denies structural prejudice. I can think of other words than odd but they're all fairly synonymous.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:59

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 16:56

Oh so it's not odd to deny structural racism exists. Sorry, I can't agree with you there.

If it makes you feel better, I think there's something odd about anyone who wants to be a top-ranking politician. Whoever they are.

Sure if it helps you to say that last line, it’s still not true, she’s a successful woman in a political world that is very much stacked against her. She’s great. Labour don’t like her as Starmer gets over heated in PMQs and shakes etc

He might be gone soon anyway.

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 17:01

And then she’ll be equally rude and abrasive to his successor. God help us if she ever had to represent us on the global stage.

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 17:02

Well she could hardly do worse than Starmer eh @Blossomtoes. That’s impossible.

ForWittyTealOP · 24/04/2026 17:02

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 17:01

And then she’ll be equally rude and abrasive to his successor. God help us if she ever had to represent us on the global stage.

Luckily that's incredibly unlikely!

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 17:03

Aah not everybody views her as “odd” like you do @ForWittyTealOP

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 17:03

Starmer is of course arrogant, dismissive and bullying in PMQs which many can see, hence dropping votes each week.

He hasn’t got many loyal supporters left.

TirednessOnToast · 24/04/2026 17:03

JustGiveMeReason · 24/04/2026 00:46

No, I don't think there will be a North / South divide.

But people tend to 'hang out' with 'people like them'.

I am pretty sure NONE of my peers are going to vote for a party / Limited Company that wants to:
remove workers rights,
destroy the NHS,
reduce support for people with disabilities,

reduce or completely stop support for humanitarian causes.

That support tax breaks for billionaires and condone British Billionaires being migrants whilst condemning migrants from any other Country.

That stokes up hatred and bigotry amongst people that previously got along fine previously.
That wants to prevent women having autonomy over their own bodies
That wants to withdraw from the EHRC
That wants to completely dismantle any initiatives to promote diversity
That 'doesn't believe' in the disabilities children in school have and that want to remove the already inadequate support that is currently available for children with SEND
That wants to reduce public spending
Whose Leaders has a track record for blatant lying
etc
etc

Then, looking at the Councils where many Reform Councillors were elected last year - 70 have left (resigned or sacked) since being elected last May before you get on to reports of those who have not turned up / attempted to do the job. So many have been exposed as being completely unsuitable, and either not vetted properly or what was uncovered in the vetting completely ignored.

12 have put up Council Tax, despite campaigning on a promise of "cutting waste" and reducing Council Tax.

PERFECTLY PUT !!!
I'm about to vote in rhe Scottish elections. It won't be for Reform!

BIossomtoes · 24/04/2026 17:05

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 17:02

Well she could hardly do worse than Starmer eh @Blossomtoes. That’s impossible.

Starmer is judged to have done very well internationally, far better than domestically. It’s a shame he’s not foreign secretary, it would suit his skills far better. I dread to think what the world would think of us with Badenoch sneering contemptuously at every other leader.

RoseBlueuet · 24/04/2026 17:09

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 16:32

Of course. Do you mean you’re not in the U.K.? I’ll just return your phrasing then, thankfully your vote won’t ever affect me 🤷‍♀️

I am a British citizen and still have my vote. I will use it to vote against those who vote Reform and almost certainly voted Brexit.

I was lucky enough to leave before the racist vote trapped me in the UK.

But I go out of my way to still use my vote in the UK. I will continue to vote for as long as I can, particularly given the UK's youth lost their EU citizenship to a certain electorate.

Atleastthedoglikesme · 24/04/2026 17:09

Lizzypet · 24/04/2026 14:39

Yes. My 2nd DC currently in Y4 will be in a class of 34 next year, with no class TAs (only 1-to-1 TAs for 2 very disruptive children) and I believe the school will still be in deficit approx 30k

When I started teaching in 1994 I had a class of 36 with no TA....

TemperanceWest · 24/04/2026 17:10

BlakeCarrington · 24/04/2026 17:02

Well she could hardly do worse than Starmer eh @Blossomtoes. That’s impossible.

Truss managed to.

Badenoch will never be PM. Labour is not the only party facing a bloodbath on May 7.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2026 17:11

TemperanceWest · 24/04/2026 17:10

Truss managed to.

Badenoch will never be PM. Labour is not the only party facing a bloodbath on May 7.

Someone has to be PM. I don’t get this certainty over KB.

Who are you more certain will be?