Voting for Reform.the north/south

[Jollyjupiter]

As a proud Northerner i can say 80 per cent of my peer group will vote for Reform in May. Do you think it will be a North v South split?

If Trump hadn’t pulled us into war the economy was starting to show signs of recovery. GDP was up by 0.5% bigger than the forecast in Feb 26.

Liz Truss personally cost me £300 extra on my mortgage and millions others. The stand off she had with the BOE could have cost us all our pensions thanks to her hubris.

And also thanks to the austerity measures from the last Tory government healthy life expectancy has dropped to its lowest levels since 2011 (Gordon Brown was PM until May 2010). That is shocking news and should be front page (but won’t thanks to our right wing media). You can look it up at the ONS. It’s shocking how it’s gone down in a G7 country. The disparities between the richest and poorest regions are ever widening. In my opinion the previous Tory government was a disaster of epic proportions. God knows why anyone would want them or their rejects the Reform party in power ever again.

And let’s not forget we would be at war with Iran at the moment if we had a Tory or Reform
government sending good men and women out to die needlessly.

So Reform are proposing a ‘UK Deportation Command’ and building detention centers for up to 24,000 people. I do think the ‘like Obama’ comment, which Farage has used, is a deliberate misrepresentation of more extreme policy.

Such a slippery slope - they propose leaving the ECHR, ‘disapplying’ the 1951 Refugee Convention, repealing the Human Rights Act and passing a Mass Deportation Bill.
These would have a huge impact upon the Belfast/Good Friday agreement and the UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement.
Reform also proposing ‘disapplying’ Refugee, Torture and Anti-Trafficking conventions.
It’s obviously legally and economically quite fraught but for me pretty morally bereft too.

For those that say there is a link between being more educated and more likely to be left wing or pro EU…i completely agree! That’s because our universities are left wing brainwashing factories and our schools are becoming that way! Long gone are the days of teaching critical thinking and looking at the evidence provided before you make an informed decision. Its now left wing rubbish and no one dares to openly disagree because you will be labelled as racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, etc. I remember finding the extreme bias towards left wing politics unbearable when i went to uni in 2008…and i wasn’t even that interested in politics then.

Yes. My 2nd DC currently in Y4 will be in a class of 34 next year, with no class TAs (only 1-to-1 TAs for 2 very disruptive children) and I believe the school will still be in deficit approx 30k

Yes. My 2nd DC currently in Y4 will be in a class of 34 next year, with no class TAs (only 1-to-1 TAs for 2 very disruptive children) and I believe the school will still be in deficit approx 30k

Long gone are the days of teaching critical thinking and looking at the evidence provided before you make an informed decision.

This is what my university education TAUGHT me to do. I spent my MA doing meta-analyses.

It's really embarrassing to see people parrot back this line that right wingers say to try and justify the data that shows more educated people are less right wing. Critical thinking is the REASON I am left wing and the reason I don't get taken in by a lot of right wing rhetoric.

Brexit has been assessed as damaging GDP by as much as 8%.

It didn’t stop murder being committed.

Wow, that is A star condescension right there. Look at all the thickos who shouldn’t be able to vote because they don’t have an MA like me!

FWIW I also have a Masters but I wouldn’t dream of such condescension. Has it ever occurred to you that those not lucky enough to go to uni are still your equal? Clearly not.

If that’s what you extrapolated from the post you quoted your critical thinking isn’t up to much.

Aah, more insults without any backing up from @blossomtoes. Colour me surprised.

Do you want to show me where I said people without an MA shouldn't be able to vote? Or that they aren't my equal?

You don't think the person who said that universities are 'left wing brainwashing factories' was condescending?

Is it just the condescension you're disagreeing with here, or are you suggesting the data showing more education correlates with being more left wing is wrong?

I mentioned my MA as an example of higher education TEACHING the qualities she said it shuns.

The UK is run by civil servants who rarely have the best interests of anyone else at heart.

Local or National Government seem to be able to change nothing for the betterment of the population.

Your posts speak for themselves @glitterpaperchain. Punching down and bigging yourself up with your precious “MA” thinking. **Caveat - not all MA holders punch down.

Critical thinking means your decision to be left wing is an educated one and you will be able to justify it effectively.

Same will be true for some people who are centrist or right wing.

And there will be those who are right or left wing who are that way out of habit, or family habits, influence of those around them etc.

In many cases the decision will be personally motivated, and they then use their critical thinking skills to create an effective narrative to justify it, rather than their skills leading to their opinion.

The most interesting/well researched voters are often the floating voters. Those who views and votes evolve and change over time, based on the policies and track history of individual parties and policies, the needs of that particular time etc. Those that go 'I will only every vote Labour and my parents only ever voted Labour and my grandparents before them' often struggle to create an effective argument.

And your comments are a prime example of what im talking about!

Precisely but apparently it’s an insult. 🤷‍♀️

So you're not actually going to answer my questions? Why is it bigging myself up to mention my MA, but youre not bigging yourself up when you do it? Nothing you've said actually has any truth to it, you've just put words in my mouth.

So PP above who was in favour of Restore bringing back the death penalty. And I disagree because actual data and evidence shows that it is more expensive than life imprisonment and not an effective deterrent. Am I just being a loony lefty? For basing my opinion on the data and evidence?

I don’t think going through the university system means that much, it doesn’t make anyone more immune to narratives or algorithms.

Although I’d say some of the stuff I learnt there is useful for what’s happening rn in terms of opposing sides.

It makes people question what algorithms push their way. It also means they research assertions and don’t take them at face value. It usually means they can evidence their claims.

It also taught me how to identify bias in research, and how to weigh the validity of studies

I still think overarching narratives are bought as readily, and not even seen.

Northerner, no reform votes in my circle.

I live in the north and no-one I know supports Reform.

You went to university almost 20 years ago and you're sure you know that they are now "left wing brainwashing factories"?

On what evidence are you basing this bold statement?