Benefits v Defence Lord Robertson

[Wednesdayschild87]

Lord Robertson’s Speech… seriously does anyone care?? He’s laid out the fact that as a nation we can’t carry on like this… he said we can’t afford to keep throwing money at benefits whilst leaving our country defences I’m actually shocked no one has come out and spoken on this matter before. I’m incredulous.

Whats the worst that can happen to your child if a childminder with debilitating anxiety is looking after them?

That's the catch 22. You can't grow the economy to increase employment opportunities and get people off benefits without cutting taxation (corporation and individuals).

But you can't cut taxes on corporations and individuals because the money is needed for the benefits bill to support those not working.

That is a different issue, and illegal immigrants would not be able to claim benefits or work here.

you keep on repeating this stats as a justification for you not working.

We're importing labour en masse because locals don't want to take jobs. Proverbial fruit picking as an example. This job must be very suitable for those suffering anxiety. Schools, offices cleaners - most of those I've seen don't even speak English.

Vacancies reducing because businesses taxed in unsustainable way so they cut hiring or closing all together.

I get these aren't jobs you'd want to take, but if faced no money at all or doing them...

We have economy taxed at 38%. We reached the limit.

Yes, but some people on here seem to think just cutting benefits and letting people starve on the streets will be the best option.

But it doesn't have to be child-minding.

There are millions of jobs which don't involve responsibility over someone's life.

And there are plenty of inclusive employers, large retailers usually are. Assuming you're really trying of course, not weaponising your anxiety.

I am not repeating stats for anything to do with me whatsoever.

Fruit picking needs people to live on site, and if you are in social housing, you are not allowed to live elsewhere. Also, fruit picking is infamously low paid... under NMW because they take the accommodation into account. How will anyone work there and also maintain a dwelling somewhere else?
Yes, fruit picking might be good if you are unemployed and also homeless.

Do you think someone with debilitating anxiety will be at their best in an interview, and be the best for the job?

AND ONCE MORE WITH FEELING

MN! If you are in social housing you should live in it and it should be your only home!
Also MN "why cant brits do the LIVE IN fruit picking jobs We have to have people come from other countries to do the jobs Brits wont do!
Posted this on another thread
"a. Fruit picking veg picking etc a lot of which is LIVE IN work. If you rent social housing you have to actually fucking well live there. You are not allowed to live away from home for the length of time these employers want you to. If you want that you will need to give SH tenants more rights! But that would also mean giving them more rights to leave their home for other reasons Up for that are we? Dont bother cos i know the answer to that already.
b. Gas safety checks fire door checks electric checks Surveys My tenancy agreement says i have to be home for these and no i cant get a friend or neighbour to do it for me.
c. the hatred there is for SH tenants ensures that some busybody would probably report the flat as abandoned if a tenant were to risk their tenancy by taking this job.
d. i have mentioned SH tenants because they will be the most likely group expected to take these jobs yet their hands are tied and they cant And even if they wont perhaps they want a life after the working day (just like home owners have You know the ones who arent expected to do these jobs instead of sharing a berth with a stranger"

I SWEAR TO GOD IM GOING TO GET THIS FUCKING LAMINATED. isnt it funny how the social housing haters froth like fuck when tenants break a tenancy agreement for any other reason but want them to break their tenancy agreements for bloody fruit picking. STINKING HYPOCRISY

Literally no one is suggesting letting people starve but the UK has to face some harsh realities about the future and the one of the biggest things to face is that it cannot afford the NHS and the welfare bill, not to mention immigration and the crumbling infrastructure in the country. Too many people rely on state help and expect a free ride in life. There has been such a decline and such a lack of forward thinking I’m not sure how the ship will be turned to be honest.

I get so pissed off with benefit bashers! I’d love to work, have worked, but can no longer do it due to my bloody M.S becoming so debilitating. I honestly don’t understand why they lifted the two children benefit cap. I chose to have one child and didn’t depend on the state for her upbringing. Having children is a choice, having a fucking degenerative disease isn’t and it seriously fucking annoys me, why not just euthanise us, job done, less to of us to claim! Rant Over 🤦‍♀️

Look, you're really trying every possible excuse.
There are jobs. Full stop. Not CEO jobs open to everyone with no experience, but there are jobs.

And there are plenty of threads on here when people reduce their hours to stay on benefits. So they can work and have jobs, but don't want to work a min more if they can get the same money from the state.

I am not making excuses. That is an example of job vacancies where I live.

Exactly what I said. Lots of people find it difficult find it difficult to find jobs for all sorts of reasons, and yet are only entitled to unemployment benefits.

I don’t believe that we should be enabling people with mental health conditions to sit at home on welfare for years on end. They should be provided with unemployment benefit, the same as working people who lose their job, and better mental health support on the NHS.

There is no better MH support on the NHS. It has been cut the the bone year on year. You can only access help if you want to murder someone or top yourself, and even that is gamble anyway.

so why don't we change a policy for social housing? According to you it damages employment chances so let's make social housing provision time limited.

It should be for either those who are truly disabled (objectively diagnosed) or working close to the area? If you don't have a job in the area you have to move to find job. Like all those pesky tax payers who are not entitled to state support.

I don't know your personal situation so not making any comments about you.

But we seem to hate migrants who move continents in search of better lives.
If there are no jobs where you live then you have to move to the areas where there are jobs. This was the way of life only a few generations earlier.

What jobs? The job market is SHIT right now.

It damages employment chances in ONE job Fruit picking. I live in a one bedroom SH flat with my DH who is disabled and in his seventies.

I knew during the lockdowns that the all in this together rhetoric was bullshit and we would be back to the default setting soon enough. How the fuck is time limiting social housing going to change the fact that tenants need to make themselves available for gas safety checks electric checks fire door checks Friend of mine has received a letter for yet another stock condition survey How can tenants do this if they are sleeping away from home in a berth with some stranger And no they cant always get a friend to do it A lot of HAs insist on it being the tenant Shortening tenancies isnt going to change this.

Just a question - what are you going to do if Reform come into power in 2029, privatise NHS and cut all welfare? I'm terrified by this prospect but this is a very real possibility. Labour are vanishingly unlikely to stay another term.

For me.... commit a crime and get housed in prison, or take my own life.

The fact that your first instinct was to make social housing provision time limited instead of giving SH more rights so they could live away from home for employment tells me all i need to know and proves my point beautifully. Just like i said in my long post i KNEW giving them more rights to live away woudnt be agreed with cos then they would also be able to live away for leisure reasons and we wouldnt want that would we.

Why would they be rushing to get a diagnosis when DLA doesn't require a diagnosis?

It keeps me awake at night. It really does.

Same.