To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

Tommy the agitator in time to stir it up over the weekend.

It’s always this. That’s it. He can change the situation not use FB phrases.

From the police statements released I get the impression police doubt the survivor. They have twice only asked for any witnesses to or footage of a woman in distress.

This isn’t a declaration of doubt from me, I just wonder if the language used is deliberate but not for the reasons speculated.

Some of the organisers had a 'meeting' with the police tonight and have come out saying basically "let the police get on with their job". I wonder if they were told they were inciting racial hatred and to STOP. Apparently there will be a police statement tomorrow.

Yes there are. But they aren't all black and brown men. The term used in the past was pedophile ring. Google that and see how many white ethnicity rape gangs there have been in the past.

Do not be confused. All rape is wrong. But by only focusing on rape by non white men we ignore the dangers hiding in plain sight.

Thr majority of rapes are carried out by the majority white population as would be expected.
However men from certain cultures are disproportionately represented when it comes to sexual offending. If we look at the Pakistani Muslims they make up 2.6% of the UK population (men, women and children are covered by that %) yet are responsible for 6.2% of rapes. Thats a massive % of rapes commitment by about 1% of the uk population (only counting Pakistani Muslim men not women and children).
There's similar stats ot worse for men from other countries. This is a huge problem and it's getting worse every year. Its not racist to point out that the cultures that these men come from make them more likely than British men of any colour to rape women and girls, its an inconvenient truth that blows a huge hole in the claim that migration is beneficial to the UK.
You may not like it but the simple fact is that white brutish men are less likely to commit rape than many of the immigrants coming on the boats.

@NorfolkandBad for example

BBC News - Portsmouth paedophile ring: Four found guilty - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15538373

I thought that too with this article.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/police-issue-update-after-woman-33778179

That statistic doesn’t really stack up once you look at how the data is collected. UK crime figures don’t reliably record religion, so anything breaking offenders down as “Muslim” is usually inferred rather than actually measured. Ethnicity data isn’t perfect either. It’s patchy and recorded differently across police forces. On top of that, numbers like this are often pulled from quite specific datasets such as certain offence types, particular areas, or convicted cases, and then presented as if they reflect all rape across the UK, which they don’t. There’s also a basic comparison issue. Using a whole population percentage that includes women and children, then comparing it to a group made up only of offenders, skews the picture. Put all that together and the “2.6% vs 6.2%” claim isn’t a solid, nationally representative statistic. But I think you're not someone for whom accurate stats would change your closed mind.

They didn't - in this statement they ask people 'not to speculate about the descriptions of these suspects as this may lead to additional tensions within our local communities', which isn't the same thing.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/police-issue-update-after-woman-33778179

You're being serious aren't you ? that wasn't actually meant as a joke ?

Those 4 compared to hundreds in the rape gangs - are you serious ?

You can get evidence of someone's nationality. There is no objective way to measure someone's race or ethnicity because there is no scientific definition of race or ethnicity. Or should it be the ethnicity of the male head of household that applies to everyone in it?? Sounds easy to guess, but it would be unreasonable to do so for many reasons.

It would be marked as refused to say - which is not unknown, the deflection in this thread is off the scale.

Shame that didnt extend to the family of the brutally murdered Rhiannon Whyte.
The one and only person in the public eye who went to speak to them was Tommy Robinson

And that is different from 'not known' in what practical way? Seems to be more or less the present situation.

You mean stop deflecting from stupid arguments with facts 😂

Dear me. I have neither the time nor the inclination to go Googling for you for there are literally thousands of white rapists making up pedophile rings. The facts are there if you want to look for them. But I don't think you deal with logical, rational facts. You deal with half truths and biased interpretation to fit your agenda. And it's twisted facts and misinterpreted statistics that whip people up into a frenzy. White men are your enemy as much as black and brown men are your enemy.

Nice implication of racism and bigotry there anything else that you want to imply as I've still got a few left on my bingo card

It's not a fact - it's your version of facts.

The moon is made of cheese, that's a fact because I say so.

That's your interpretation so perhaps you have a guilty conscience.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Ah! You don't seem to understand how facts work. I'm going to leave you to it because as the saying goes, you can't argue with stupid!

Ohh please keep going I've almost got bingo

Why would you think it’s a joke?

If data is to be logged it should be accurate. Not an assumption.