How do clairvoyants know things??

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I have never believed in this, I saw one once just for fun at my aunties house and she wasn’t great. She did say a few things that were accurate, but I put this down to being guesses or general vague things that would be relevant to the majority of people.

However, recently my friend went to one. She recently lost her dad and her partner. Without telling the clairvoyant anything, she knew how her partner died and what his name was. She mentioned my friends dad blowing kisses in a weird way, with the palm of his hand instead of his fingers, which is something he did used to do. How would she know these things??? I don’t honestly believe in it, but can’t understand how she’d know such specific things

The whole point about evidence is that it isn’t subjective.

Hot reading ie social media/newspapers and cold reading.

What evidence have you found of God?

Of course I do. Nobody can do that. Nobody has ever been able to do that. As and when somebody can prove otherwise, I'll happily change my mind.

Until then, if a person claims they can do something which they can't, they're lying. If a person genuinely believes they have supernatural abilities and can see 'spirits' which don't exist, they are clearly mentally unwell.

This is the thing.

It would be really, really easy for a genuine psychic to prove that they were genuine, and what's more they'd make a fucking fortune to boot. The fact that they haven't speaks volumes.

Just like it should be really, really easy for God to prove He exists. Just come down, do a few miracles and I'll renouce my atheism so fast it'll make His head spin.

Yep, zero.

No god, no clairvoyants.

No reason to lie and most definitely wasn’t seriously mentally unwell. What a weird judgement to make! 😂

If people experience the world differently from you, are they automatically liars or ‘seriously mentally unwell’?

I had a fridge magnet once with this on it:

"Don't make Me come down there." - God

Someone saying they see spirits floating around someone about to die is sick in the head or plain nasty.

"She used to know who was next to pass away because she would see the spirits of their relatives who had already passed surround their bed in the hour before they passed themselves"

That isn't experiencing the world differently though, it's not nice at all to pretend that.

No reason to lie

There are plenty of extremely obvious reasons that someone might lie about being able to interact with the dead.

and most definitely wasn’t seriously mentally unwell. What a weird judgement to make!

It's a binary choice, one or the other.

If people experience the world differently from you, are they automatically liars or ‘seriously mentally unwell’?

No. But claiming supernatural abilities that you know you don't have, because they don't exist, is a lie. Believing you can see 'spirits' which aren't there, because they also don't exist, is the behavior of someone who is unwell. That's experiencing the world differently.

You've not found any evidence of a god either, you just believe in one. So how can you say that one exists and the other doesn't?

I will reiterate...you don't actuallyknow anything

I know that people can't fly, breathe underwater or shoot laser beams from their eyes. When evidence to the contrary appears, I'll know otherwise.

That's not the same thing....you cannot compare. It's fine. We don't have to agree. I don't need to convince you of anything, nor you me :)

It's exactly the same thing. It's claiming an ability/gift that you don't have, and that there's zero evidence that anyone else has, or has ever had. It's literally the same thing.

I don't need to convince you of anything, nor you me

Genuinely, I would love to be convinced of something so incredible. Show me the proof and I'm in!

It's so not the same thing.
It's physically impossible to fly but telepathy is not physically impossible

Interesting! How is telepathy physically possible, please?

Of course it’s physically impossible!

And whilst I generally would argue that the burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not on those debunking, I’ll explain:

There is no known mechanism in physics or biology for direct brain-to-brain communication.

Signals transmitted from the brain would need to obey physical laws, such as the inverse-square law (fading with distance), yet telepathy is claimed to work regardless of distance.

While the brain generates weak electromagnetic signals, these are too faint to be detected far from the skull, never mind transmit thoughts to another person.

Decades of studies have failed to provide consistent, replicable evidence for mental telepathy.

ETA: so can you please explain how you think telepathy is physically possible?

Because it happens to me all the time....

I'm not a scientist....I can't explain how ......but it happens to me all the time....I will give some examples another time but v tired today - I've been with my poor mum in casualty overnight so need some rest now x

I will give you some examples another day but just v tired today as been in A&E with my poorly mum overnight so need some rest at mo x

This is really interesting. When I was pregnant with my first (I was in my early twenties), and working a volunteer student job, an elderly woman in the place looked at me, grabbed my hands, held them and said my dear you are carrying a boy. I chuckled and said I can’t be (was on the pill and had only seen my boyfriend once in the last month as he was in the army. Turns out she was right. Weird. She said she saw it on my face!

But also she knows you’re never going to see her again! If she turns out to be wrong you simply forget about it. If she turns out to be right you take that as proof that it’s all true. Whichever way it goes, she keeps the money you paid her.

Here are some quite common examples of silent communication between people who share a very close relationship. I’m not going to call it telepathy. I can be texting my mum and she will be texting me at the exact same time. I can be listening to a song in my head and my Dp will start singing it. My dd and I seem to have always had a special, silent communication where we know exactly what the other is thinking, needs or wants. I know that other people experience things like this. It could be intuition in some respects but when it’s something like a song, colour, number or shape .. what is it then? I think that studies on this are ongoing. It does seem to be a recognised phenomenan.