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FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 11:59

I've worked at my current employer for 3 years and recently had a change in circumstances (in February) which means I have no childcare for my 3 children after school for 1-2 days out of the week. They have been understanding and accomodated my needs so far but have asked me to look at what realistic options are available and have called a meeting for next week to discuss, as the situation is not sustainable long term. I'll outline the facts below, please read carefully because it's not as simple a solution as most people seem to think.

  • I work 8.30 - 5pm Monday to Friday and it takes me 30 mins to get to and from work.
  • My husband works 8 - 4.30 Monday to Friday, his office is an hour away and he works from home on Thursdays and Fridays. Soon to be 3 days a week. He used to work nights, so would drop off and pick up the kids each day, however the strain on family life, our relationship, his mental health was not sustainable and he had numerous breakdowns over a long period of time and he changed jobs. Not ideal but I won't make my husband do a job he hated when it made him want to kill himself every day. He can be quite volatile and in the past this has affected work when he last left for periods of time so I've been left to sort the kids 100% of the time, at times. Work know things are rocky and my line manager thinks I should leave him but this would only make the situation more difficult.
  • Our kids are 3, 5 & 9. The 3 & 5 year olds attend the same school/nursery and the 9 year old attends a different school.
  • 2 out of the 3 kids have special needs and are settled in their schools. They previously attended the same primary school but had serious issues so we had to move them.
  • Both schools have breakfast club, 1 starts at 7.50 and the other at 8.10, this obviously means I am often 10 mins late to work on the days they are in club.
  • Neither school has ANY after school provision.
  • We unfortunately live in an area where wrap around care isn't in demand, so options are pretty non existent.
  • There are no childminders in the area that currently or are willing to pick up from either/both of their schools.
  • Their are a couple of local nurseries that do after school club and they collect the kids from school and walk back to their premises. 1 of my kids is a flight risk so I do not feel comfortable with this as an option. He has escaped and ran off from his old school twice before.
  • We cannot afford a nanny, prices are between £15 - 20 and hour when I have enquired and tbh, given my kids additional needs, I don't think anyone would last a week with them, they are VERY full on.
  • My dad can collect the kids 1 day a week at an absolute push but it's his only day off and if he has plans it's not a given he can do it, I don't expect him to plan his life around MY kids. My dad works the other 4 days a week and my mom doesn't work but has stopped driving for health reasons so cannot pick them up and she is not physically able to walk/get the bus etc and as previously stated, 1 of them is a flight risk and she wouldnt be able to run after him if needed. A taxi for her to pick them up and go back to hers would be far too expensive multiple times a week as she has done this once before in an emergency and it was £30 for one pick up, let alone 2.
  • There are no other parents at either of their schools that we know well enough to ask. We have no other friends or family in the area at all, aside from my mom and dad.
  • So far, on days where my husband is in the office, I finish work at 14:40, pick up the kids from school and then log on at home for the remainder of the day, sometimes beyond 5pm.
  • I am a supervisor and our team is growing and I will be responsible for up to 12 people eventually so work are saying I cannot effectively supervise if I am not in the office. We also have a lot of new team members (one being another supervisor) who are not fully trained so things tend to fall to shit a lot of them time if I am not there.
  • Not to toot my own horn but i am the glue that holds the entire team together, and effectively, if I were to leave because I need more long term flexibility, they would be absolutely fucked. My line manager and our department manager knows this all too well, but are still pressuring me to find some magical solution that doesn't exist so I can be there 8.30-5 every single day. They've not said they will get rid of me, and I don't think they would, but they're saying I need to work my hours I am employed to do. I agree with this and have no issues with that, I've often said I will taken leave, take the time unpaid etc and they have always said no.
  • I could put in a flexible working request to reduce my hours 1-2 days a week, but it would actually be a waste of time, as they can and would refuse it for a legitimate business reason.

I don't know what to do or what I'm supposed to say during this meeting. If you've thought of something I haven't explored above then please please let me know. I'm obviously going to explain all of the above in detail about what I've looked into and why it's not a viable option and see what they say. I'm also considering telling them I'm looking else where for something more flexible in the hope that they back down, but I don't actually want to leave, I really do enjoy working there and don't want to jump ship and end up being somewhere I don't like, or having to take a pay cut that I can't really afford.

OP posts:
Velumental · 10/04/2026 22:01

Hobbitfeet32 · 10/04/2026 21:52

I’m also confused by the children having significant additional needs that they can’t go to wraparound care but not so significant that they can’t be left unsupervised whilst parents work from home

My friends child is autistic and can entertain himself in his own home for an hour or 2 but unfamiliar childcare settings lead to shut downs and meltdowns. I've witnessed it in both settings. Quite possible a child has this specific set of needs.

My son if he had a snack and a game set up could maybe do an hour unsupervised but not reliably and is extremely well behaved in childcare settings but comes apart the seams at home if anything has upset him so we're limited on childcare options. There's no reason to disbelieve that op has difficulty using childcare out with her home.

The thing is if there is no childcare option. The parents' work set ups become untenable, sad though that is and I've been there and know how she**Ty that is

Phineyj · 10/04/2026 22:01

Thisle · 10/04/2026 19:56

Really sad how some people on this thread seem to think a workplace just does not need to be flexible. They pay you for work, they don't own you and you don't owe them your soul. Doesn't sound like OP is a casualty nurse or something, it's so old-fashioned to act like she's asking for the moon here.

Also funny the number of people (probably Londoners and South-Easterners) who don't seem to get that there are plenty of places in the UK where hiring a nanny just isn't possible because no-one does it and no-one within a feasible distance actually wants that work. Presuming there's uni students even living within a distance that would make it worthwhile them taking that work.

It's not asking for the moon to expect your employees to work the hours they're contracted for most of the time, nor to expect that people don't work from home with children present. Is it?

I was one of the people who suggested a nanny agency and some other online childcare services. Both have national coverage (to an extent; of course it's harder to find childcare in some locations than others).

However, because of affordability, I don't think the OP has actually researched one to one (well, three) childcare so it's all just speculation.

We paid a huge amount on wraparound and childcare because we're both teachers so can't work from home. We have no local family. We've only got the one child fortunately. We got roundly patronised a few times for using professional services though ("oh, I could never hire a stranger!") by people with helpful families doing it for free!

FunMustard · 10/04/2026 22:01

(And apologies if someone has already said similar, I wrote it all out and then didn't post for hours!)

babyproblems · 10/04/2026 22:02

DoubleShotEspressox · 10/04/2026 12:15

As a manager of a large team, I’m always more than happy to be flexible and accommodate.
Childcare, illness, bereavement, cars breaking down etc etc.
My attitude, as long as your work is done and you’re transparent.

But, in your situation this doesn’t sound like something that’s going to resolve for the next five years or so.

With you working from home - why does everything fall to shit? You are then clearly not enabling your team to work effectively without being micromanaged.

I would come at this with a solutions focussed approach that allows ongoing flex - not threaten to quit because it’ll probably backfire.

Explain clearly the situation and limited options, and say I’m going to upskill X to step in on the two afternoons I can’t be here, I’m going to implement this process that allows for X and mitigates risk, I’ll wfh on this day and balance it by doing this. Etc.

Propose a real solution that allows you the flex AND keeps your job. Because you go in there with arms flailing and making out like they HAVE to support this - well I would tell you to go.

I think this is excellent advice.
Go to the meeting with lots of solutions that allow you to continue having the flexibility you need; AND solves the problems that you not being present brings.
I would actually make a document of the problems and then outline the solutions I can implement and present it to them properly at the meeting.
Don’t discuss your marriage and kids issues - keep it separate

I Think the real risk for you long term
if you cannot solve their problems caused by you not being present 9-5, you’ll end up either leaving or being pushed through disciplinary procedures. Start preparing now and be ultra professional. Good luck !

Catlady007007 · 10/04/2026 22:03

Really sad how some people on this thread seem to think a workplace just does not need to be flexible. They pay you for work, they don't own you and you don't owe them your soul. Doesn't sound like OP is a casualty nurse or something, it's so old-fashioned to act like she's asking for the moon here

Are people saying that in the way you are interpreting it? The women responding are not condoning inflexibility in workplace. The women responding are saying that workplaces do not need to be flexible because workplaces can replace working mums very easily. Unfortunately many working mothes have left well paid jobs because of their children, and realise that nobody is irreplaceable.

I work a very basic admin role for 60% less pay than my previous role and I don't get annual bonuses, private healthcare or stock options any more. However I work remotely in a flexible job and around school hours. Every single person on my team is a working mum who is doing the job for the same reason. Every single one of us earn a quarter of what we previously earned. That is the reality for working parents who do not want to or can't work fulltime due to having kids.

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 22:05

Velumental · 10/04/2026 22:01

My friends child is autistic and can entertain himself in his own home for an hour or 2 but unfamiliar childcare settings lead to shut downs and meltdowns. I've witnessed it in both settings. Quite possible a child has this specific set of needs.

My son if he had a snack and a game set up could maybe do an hour unsupervised but not reliably and is extremely well behaved in childcare settings but comes apart the seams at home if anything has upset him so we're limited on childcare options. There's no reason to disbelieve that op has difficulty using childcare out with her home.

The thing is if there is no childcare option. The parents' work set ups become untenable, sad though that is and I've been there and know how she**Ty that is

I could see a 9yo entertaining themselves.... 5yo could probably be plopped in front of the tv and some colouring books or puzzles and a snack nearby and you'd get something done... but both of them AND a 3 year old? Nope 😂 3yo will entertain themselves for 5 minutes maximum and probably have turned the house upside down in that 5 minutes and ruined whatever the older kids were doing 😂

catlover123456789 · 10/04/2026 22:08

Your team should be able to work effectively two afternoons a week without you physically present. Presumably you attend meetings during the course of your day and the team doesn't fall apart? Ask for a reasonable adjustment of working from home 2 afternoons a week.

notnorman · 10/04/2026 22:09

i asked my friend Chat GTP on the last day of my £200 per month super subscription !!
it says…. She should stop trying to produce a “perfect” solution on her own and go into that meeting with a clear, evidence-based proposal.

From what you’ve set out, this is not a case of her being disorganised or unwilling to work. It is a genuine childcare gap with very limited local provision, two children with additional needs, two separate settings, and a husband whose current job pattern does not cover all pickups. She has already explored the obvious options. The employer may still say they need full office cover, but they should at least engage properly with a workable proposal rather than just pushing her to “find something”. Under the current flexible working framework, employees can make a statutory request from day one, employers must consult before rejecting, and any refusal has to be for one of the recognised business reasons. Those reasons include impact on performance, quality, customer demand, or inability to reorganise work.

What she should do next is this.

First, she should go into the meeting with a written proposal, not just the problem. The strongest version is probably something like: on the 1 to 2 days when her husband is in the office, she leaves at 2:40, collects the children, and then resumes work from home until 5:00 or later if needed; she remains contactable by phone and Teams; she keeps core supervisory tasks, escalations, approvals and check-ins scheduled around that pattern; and they review it after 8 to 12 weeks. That is much stronger than saying “I need flexibility”. It says: here is how the business still gets the hours and the coverage.

Second, she should frame it as a trial with measurable safeguards. For example: set times for supervision catch-ups, a handover process for the late afternoon, clear escalation routes, and agreed productivity measures. If the employer’s concern is “you cannot supervise effectively if you are not physically in the office,” the answer is not to argue in general terms. The answer is to ask: what specifically is not being covered, and how can we test a structure that covers it? Acas expects consultation before refusal, which means discussing alternatives, not simply saying no.

Third, she should put in a formal flexible working request anyway, even if she thinks it may be refused. I would not treat that as pointless. A formal request creates a proper process and requires the employer to deal with the actual proposal. It is often better to have a concrete written request on record than a string of informal conversations. The employer can refuse for legitimate business reasons, yes, but they should still consult and explain the reason.

Fourth, she should not threaten to leave as a tactic unless she truly means it. That can backfire badly. A better line is: “I want to stay here. I enjoy the role. I am trying to find a sustainable arrangement that works for both the business and my family.” That is calm, credible and harder to dismiss.

Fifth, she should ask HR to be involved if they are not already. This has moved beyond an informal manager chat. HR should review whether a temporary hybrid pattern, adjusted start/finish time, compressed hours, use of annual leave in part-days, or a temporary change to duties is possible. If the employer has already said “no” to leave or unpaid time, she should ask them to explain why those options are ruled out if the alternative is losing a key supervisor.

There are also a few legal points worth knowing. Time off for dependants is for unexpected emergencies, such as a sudden childcare breakdown or school closure, and is not designed to cover an ongoing long-term arrangement. Carer’s leave exists, but it is only up to one week in a 12-month period, unpaid, so it is not a long-term answer either. Parental leave can sometimes help as a short-term buffer, but in general it is unpaid and usually taken in week-long blocks, so again it is not a real structural fix for 1 to 2 afternoons every week.

There is one more point she should keep in mind. Where a workplace rule disadvantages women because women are more likely to have childcare responsibilities, that can raise indirect sex discrimination issues unless the employer can justify the rule. Acas gives childcare-related examples of this. Also, discrimination by association can apply in some circumstances because of a connection with a disabled person. That does not mean she should go into the meeting threatening discrimination claims, but it does mean she should be careful, keep notes, and not accept dismissive treatment.

So, in practical terms, what should she do?

She should go in and say, in effect:

“I’ve looked at all realistic childcare options. There is no after-school provision at either school, no suitable childminder, no family support available more than one day at most, and because of my children’s needs some of the obvious options are not safe. I want to remain in this role and continue doing it well. My proposed solution is that on the 1 to 2 days where pickup cannot be covered, I leave at 2:40, collect the children, and complete the remainder of my hours from home. I’m proposing this as a trial arrangement with clear review points and agreed cover/escalation processes. If there are concerns, I’d like to discuss exactly what they are and what alternatives the business would consider.”

That is probably her best position.

She should not go in apologising. She should not go in angry. She should not go in pretending there is a magical childcare solution she has missed. She should go in as a good employee presenting the most viable arrangement available.

If the employer rejects it, then the next step is to ask for the decision and reasons in writing, consider an appeal or revised request, and speak to Acas for tailored advice before deciding whether to stay or move on.

Lavender14 · 10/04/2026 22:09

Also op sorry if I've missed it, but can you say what kind of work you do without being too outing?

I'm asking because obviously some roles lend much better to working from home or hours split across flexi working than others that absolutely require you to be on site?

If its a job where you absolutely could not complete your responsibilities from home and be genuinely productive within those hours then it's obviously fair enough.

However, if the actual issue is lack of team performance, high turnover and issues with staffing and retention then you have a much bigger issue on your hands. The childcare is obviously immediate as a concern, but long term what you're working in is a recipe for burn out. You cannot be the sole cog of a company and they should be putting every effort into making sure you don't remain in that position. This for me would be a major red flag and I'd be actively looking for new jobs that were less dependent on me to do other people's jobs for them, and were more flexible.

Is it worth meeting with a careers advisor? I met with one which was free through the council when I became a lone parent because my job at the time didn't lend to my lack of childcare and that really helped me identify other avenues I had the skills for. I'm now earning more, more job security, 9-5 and flexi time and some working from home days as a result compared to before. Obviously the change itself took a while but it meant it was on my radar and I could plan in that direction.

Velumental · 10/04/2026 22:10

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 22:05

I could see a 9yo entertaining themselves.... 5yo could probably be plopped in front of the tv and some colouring books or puzzles and a snack nearby and you'd get something done... but both of them AND a 3 year old? Nope 😂 3yo will entertain themselves for 5 minutes maximum and probably have turned the house upside down in that 5 minutes and ruined whatever the older kids were doing 😂

Honestly child dependent, my daughter could entertain herself happily for an hour or more from about 2. I found it utterly baffling as my eldest couldn't be 2 feet from me without getting upset or endangering himself I told her was at least 4.

KM123456 · 10/04/2026 22:12

One issue no one is mentioning is that whatever accommodation your employer offers you they may be legally obligated to offer the same to all the others employees, or risk a discrimination complaint. This is often forgotten by valuable employees . So it is not just how can they accommodate you (and they may be sympathetic as individuals) but what kind of accommodation can they provide to you and everyone else? This is is probably already being discussed by your coworkers, although not in front of you.

Ariela · 10/04/2026 22:19

I think you need to ask for reduced hours OR increased pay to cover the cost of a nanny for the days you need and you'll be available the whole shift.
Sounds to me like you're potentially already being underpaid for the increased role they are expecting of you.

WalkAway7 · 10/04/2026 22:29

OP, I haven’t read all the replies so apologies if this has already been suggested but what about an Au Pair?
She would need her own room but if this is not feasible in your home, could she lives with your parents but work for you?
I understand that two of your children have SEN so an older, more experienced au pair might be a better option…
You sound understandablly, stressed and overwhelmed. I hope you find a solution…

CatJump · 10/04/2026 22:44

Are you getting DLA for your 2 with additional needs?
If you dont and they are eligible then it might be worth applying. You could then use it to either reduce your hours or change jobs so you are available to look after them, or pay a higher amount for a nanny experienced in SEN using the DLA.

Ohnobackagain · 10/04/2026 22:46

@FriskyHeeler if they want to grow the team then you need to train someone else to share the load so you can wfh with fewer issues. Nobody should be a single point of failure. There has to be a contingency plan for business continuity. It isn’t even about kids - what if you were ill or something? If they value you and you trust them, then you could suggest ways of improving things (rather than them letting you go because you end up being unreliable). Could you do a job share? You should be able to have a holiday without spending weeks preparing or days after picking up work!

Ghostorno · 10/04/2026 22:50

Your workplace are committed to supporting you and that’s great but expecting you to carry so much responsibility isn’t sustainable medium term. What would happen if you needed to take time off for ill health or an emergency? Why have so many people left the company? You’’re a sticking plaster on an open wound. .

Soontobesingles · 10/04/2026 22:53

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 12:14

I understand my childcare issues are not their problem, nor are my marriage issues, but they're making it their problem by getting involved and asking for meetings to discuss. They say they want to work with me and support me, but there are no viable options in my opinion. I'm not going to willingly send my child somewhere where he could escape before he's even gotten there. Also I feel their behaviour could be an issues, as advised 2 of them are SEN, the eldest was banned from breakfast club at his previous school, and the middle has been banned from the holiday club provision we usually use and our old child minder (before he started school) gave us notice and even pretended she was giving up childminding in order to not have to look after them anymore. It's not just a case of oh send them anywhere they will be fine/nursery will have to figure it out.

No, you are making it their problem by not being able to work your contracted hours due to childcare problems. They need to resolve the issue of you not working to contract. The reason they are saying they want to support you is that they legally have to start from the point of trying to accommodate reasonable requests for flexibility from carers, and probably they also feel for you. Of course, you can go to the meeting and say 'there are no viable options, you need to accommodate my request for adjusted hours' - but they may well say no and start you down the path of performance management or claim that you are committing gross misconduct by failing to follow reasonable management instruction (working your hours). I am not sure why you feel it is your employers who need to compromise on this and not your DH, the children's father.

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 22:55

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 21:30

Don't think she's thought that far ahead unfortunately

I'm not the only parent. And as I've stated multiple times I have childcare in place for 2 out of the 3.

I unfortunately cannot have may half term off due to someone else in the team being off.

I originally booked the week off I'm June because we booked a holiday last year which we since cancelled because we cannot afford it. I've kept the time off as it's mine and 2 of the kids birthdays during that week.

OP posts:
FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 22:57

God people really don't read the thread do they. Constant comment regarding my husband when he's got as much flexibility he can with his new job. Jesus Christ, comprehension is not a strong point for many of you.

OP posts:
BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 22:59

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 22:55

I'm not the only parent. And as I've stated multiple times I have childcare in place for 2 out of the 3.

I unfortunately cannot have may half term off due to someone else in the team being off.

I originally booked the week off I'm June because we booked a holiday last year which we since cancelled because we cannot afford it. I've kept the time off as it's mine and 2 of the kids birthdays during that week.

I know you aren't the only parent... but that doesn't answer the question what are you and your husband going to do for summer childcare. You have nobody to mind your middle child who has some extra needs.

Also I didn't mention the June week off, your quoting the wrong person.

But summer holidays are going to roll around VERY quickly...

Receptive1 · 10/04/2026 23:00

Fellow working SEN mum here, it’s impossible to underestimate how hard it is to find consistent safe care for your kids 💛
firstly, you not being unreasonable. Sounds like you’ve already explored pretty much every childcare option, and with your children’s needs, there isn’t a simple solution.
What currently works (I think):

  • Leave at 2:40pm on 1–2 days a week
  • Collect the kids
  • Log back on and finish your hours at home
You’re not asking to work less, just to work part of your day from home. I’d be honest and say that due to your caring responsibilities, you have explored all childcare options and none are consistently available or safe. The only workable solution is leaving at 2:40pm on 1–2 fixed days, then continuing to work from home until the end of the day. Then be proactive in trying to meet their needs and suggest:
  • Fix the days (e.g. Tuesday/Wednesday)
  • Do meetings and supervision earlier in the day
  • Stay available on Teams/phone after pickup
  • Suggest a trial period of 8-12 Weeks
They sound like they want to keep you, and I often think being honest and practical can be heard with compassion in the work place (I hope this is the case for you).
Soontobesingles · 10/04/2026 23:01

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 22:57

God people really don't read the thread do they. Constant comment regarding my husband when he's got as much flexibility he can with his new job. Jesus Christ, comprehension is not a strong point for many of you.

But your job also isn't able to be more flexible, by the sounds of it. So the issue is you and your DH have to work on a solution, which could be any number of things (employ an au pair/nanny, go part-time, change jobs/careers, move somewhere with better childcare options etc), but you are the people who are responsible for arranging childcare, not your employers!

firstofallimadelight · 10/04/2026 23:02

Could you ask for compressed hours over four days then you could comfortably do 1 pick up and ask your day to do other and you leave early if he cants?

WTAFIsWrongWithPeople · 10/04/2026 23:06

LT1233 · 10/04/2026 21:57

Dare I say.... Ask Chatgpt to bullet point every single option you're going to present to them both in terms of what works for you, and for them. Go into the meeting with the bullet points. Hope you can talk them into something.

FFS.

WTAFIsWrongWithPeople · 10/04/2026 23:08

KM123456 · 10/04/2026 22:12

One issue no one is mentioning is that whatever accommodation your employer offers you they may be legally obligated to offer the same to all the others employees, or risk a discrimination complaint. This is often forgotten by valuable employees . So it is not just how can they accommodate you (and they may be sympathetic as individuals) but what kind of accommodation can they provide to you and everyone else? This is is probably already being discussed by your coworkers, although not in front of you.

WTAF? No they don’t.

It’s literally stated on the flex request regs that employers have to consider on a first come first serve basis and don’t have to apply anything to any other employee.