Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A very simple start would be to require dogs are kept in appropriate conditions. With minimum requirements for space and access to exercise. Prison for anyone who is caught keeping dogs illegally

However new laws are a waste of time. We have plenty of laws that no one enforces now. Why waste time on more ?

I'd like to see all these horrible creatures lined up and shot, but a 'nation of dog lovers' will never agree to a cull.
People are absolutely stupid about dogs in this country, I find it sickening 🤢🤮

Quite often you will see on Facebook, owners of dogs of any breed say “my dog has escaped can you let me know if you see it.”
When asked how it escaped they will say the fence is broken and the council hasn’t fixed it yet. Responsibility completely placed on the council not on the idiot owner.

I disagree that any mixed breed dogs are ethically bred. For every one that comes out with that perfect mix of both traits, 5 come out with physical and/or behavioural issues that are a result of their breeding.

Dogs biting humans is unacceptable. Period. Nobody disagrees with that.

That's not true. There are plenty of dog owners who will let slip that it's always the fault of the person who got bitten. Or if they are a child their parents. They aren't stupid enough to put it at the top of their post. But it slips out eventually.

The point that I made about 20 pages ago is that there are very few people in the UK that can afford to keep these animals properly fed and have sufficient space for them
I wouldn’t even have a labrador in my house
I would love a visla, but there’s no way I could keep that animal exercised and hold down a full-time job which most people need to do at the moment
So then I guess we’re left with 8 stone stay at home mum’s with little children on benefits being the only people that have actually got the time to spend with these animals but they don’t have the money
Absolute shit show

That's because labs require a lot of exercise. An English mastiff? Not so much. Labs are the wrong fog for most households.

What does an English mastiff weigh?
I remember a colleague at work having one
It literally ate her staircase with boredom while she was at work

Depends. They are definitely large dogs but quite docile. Any dog can be destructive. My neighbours lab has torn their home apart.

According to Google
Weight and Size Breakdown:

• Males: 160–230 lbs (72–104 kg), 30–33 inches tall.
• Females: 120–170 lbs (54–77 kg), 26–30 inches tall.
• Growth: They grow rapidly, often weighing over 100 pounds by 8-9 months.
• Record: The heaviest on record was over 343 lbs (155 kg).

so if we go with the average of 60 kg according to Google it would cost between 3 pounds and £9.50 per day to feed an animal of that size So again if we go in the middle that’s £167 a month on food alone without any Vets bills or Training or poo bags, I would imagine they like an elephant. So completely aside of the fact that one adult would need to remain in the home with the loss of income relating to that to stop it eating your staircase That’s quite a hefty outlay by anybody’s standards Wouldn’t people rather have a holiday?

Why would one adult have to remain home any more than one would with any dog?

And again that’s completely aside of my point that if we look at the dog at its largest it’s 104 kg
If it turns, a130 kg man (not many of them around), is not going to be able to get that snarling thing off children.
As other people have pointed out, the dogs have been shot three or four times before they go down
When time is of the essence and the general public don’t carry guns around
That’s not going to be easily achieved by the general public in time to save a life

No dog should be left alone for 10 hours a day
Does that need saying out loud?

Apart from any safety concerns, I wouldn't have a dog I couldn't pick up if necessary. What happens when it becomes old or infirm and you've got to get it in the car to take to the vet? (Or anywhere else)

I agree. But why is that specific to a mastiff? We both work and our dog isnt home alone 10 hours a day.

You lift them up or use a stretcher. Same as a human.

It’s not specific nobody said it was specific. You claimed that they were a lovely family pet. I pointed out that they need a lot of feeding
And entertaining to stop them chewing the house in my experience limited as it is
Congratulations on achieving the euphoria of being able to work and look after your dog adequately. Most people can’t with the current economic climate.
You are the exception

And your stats for that are from....?

I've known a lot of mixed breed dogs, and have lived with several. In general, mixes are much less extreme in terms of physical shape (a pug x basset is a surprisingly functional dog), and they are at lower risk of genetic disease. I've known whole litters of mixed breed puppies who have been absolutely fine. I've talked to people who breed purpose-bred mixes. One or two out of 5 or 6 puppies will be what they're looking for; the others will have different traits that suit a slightly different job.

All dogs (especially labs) can be prone to destructive behaviour if they are unstimulated or have separation anxiety. That isnt specific to English mastiffs. I recommended that breed because they have low exercise requirements which is what was being specifically discussed.

As I said, I disagree. I think research has said so too. It's particularly bad when at least one of the parents are full breed.

You know that idea won’t get off the ground.
There are too many organisations geared to trying to get these dogs seen as no different to any other dog, trying to get them licensed and not banned.
We would have to see a substantial uptick in deaths and injuries before that happened.

Exactly. Wasted time and wasted tax payer money coming up with more legislation, only for it to be flouted by certain members of the public, safe in the knowledge that they will be ignored by the authorities because there isn't the money to police it or administer it properly. What's the point?

We can't even prosecute shoplifters who openly steal right under our noses. We can't shut down all the money laundering shops that are the scourge of every British high street now. We can't stop people openly smoking cannabis in the street. We can't stop fly tipping and modern day slavery and the building of illegal accommodation in people's back gardens to house people who shouldn't even be in the country.

What are the chances of councils having the resources to check on the suitability of every dog owner and their home?

The recent research showed bugger all, because there was no correction for the type of owner or the source of the puppies.

But hey-ho.

More misinformation
Prolific shoplifters are traced and prosecuted and spend time in jail
Unfortunately, most of the ones caught our drug addict so it doesn’t matter if you do anything to them bar hanging them. They are still going to commit these crimes over and over again.
councils do have the power to wish you fixed penalty notices to people smoking cannabis in the street
that falls to council employees with zero training and zero powers of enforcement if the smoker tells them to get fucked
If we want laws enforcing we need more police officers but people don’t want to pay for that

I'd like to get rid of their dumb cnt owners, too, but apparently it's not legal - or indeed possible- to send them to Mars.*

Thank you, the image of Elon Musk in a small spacecraft with an XL bully has brightened my day. What shame it won't happen!