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to think that the term "Bastard Children" is not and never will an acceptable way to talk

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ALMazing · 19/06/2008 11:08

about a child born out of wedlock.

Just wondering as another poster on Mumsnet seems to think that it is.

And I don t give a fark if I am telling tales. As a "bastard child" of the seventies it hit me hard that someone would still use that term especially on Mumsnet.

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TheFallenMadonna · 19/06/2008 14:13

Noooo. Illegitimate is horrible.

Nocca · 19/06/2008 14:17

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TheHedgeWitch · 19/06/2008 14:22

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TheFallenMadonna · 19/06/2008 14:24

You see, that's why this is so difficult. We disagree. One of us is always going to be more offended...

Perhaps quotes ('bastard') would have made it better - more obvious that it was reference.

Anyway. Looks like the principals have moved on.

CaptainUnderpants · 19/06/2008 14:31

Therss a connecion here somewhere -Alex on BB just went on and on about things and never let go just like some posters here .

The context it was used was OK.

How can BB cause such issues amongst MN !

cory · 19/06/2008 14:58

sleepycat on Thu 19-Jun-08 11:28:05
"I think historically a bastard child meant the Father was completely unknown."

Not necessarily. William the Bastard's father was the Duke of Normandy. Seems an odd term for someone to use who wasn't born in the 11th century though

yoursurroundedbyarmedbastards · 19/06/2008 22:53

Horrible horrible term. Many moons ago when I was still in the land of the working my then manager described my DSD as a bastard child. I very nearly decked him one. He really couldn't see the problem with it even though the all the staff had a go at him he still claimed he was right. Needless to say I handed my notice in shortly after.

NotDoingTheHousework · 20/06/2008 19:16

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bb99 · 20/06/2008 19:53

IMO context is everything.

Bastard became a 'bad' word because in days of yore it was considered 'bad' to be born outside of wedlock and very poor form for the mother (tsk, tsk, naughty harlotty unchristian woman...).

So it is now a 'bad' word, or a 'swear' word, that can be used to insult someone.

BUT being a 'bastard' isn't such an unacceptable thing to be these days, especially among the younger generations. My DD, from the 'wrong side of the sheets' as some people describe it, or 'my unexpected blessing' as I like to describe her, doesn't have a problem being illegitimate.

She does have a massive problem that a word, which is considered to be so offensive (eg a 'swear word') could be used to describe her because of the circumstances of her birth. It's not the actual word she finds hard, but that the word has now become a bad word, eg people tend to use it to describe an unpleasant person, or someone who has been completely unreasonable (utter bastard). She doesn't mind being considered illegitimate, it is a fact. She HATES thinking that she could be thought of as an unpleasant person (sort of how the word is used today).

Context is everything - I don't think it's acceptable to use as a term of reference because it has insulting overtones, rather like me not expecting people to refer to my lady bits as a cunt lady bit, even though it is technically that, as that term has insulting connotations.

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