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to think that the term "Bastard Children" is not and never will an acceptable way to talk

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ALMazing · 19/06/2008 11:08

about a child born out of wedlock.

Just wondering as another poster on Mumsnet seems to think that it is.

And I don t give a fark if I am telling tales. As a "bastard child" of the seventies it hit me hard that someone would still use that term especially on Mumsnet.

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ALMazing · 19/06/2008 13:00

IMO NJM was not using it in a religious context but was referring to one of the Big Brother House Members daughters.

I am sorry if you are upset NJM but tbh if I had not linked to your original post someone else would have. I was not the only one who noticed and was offended by it. I did not feel that the Big Brother thread was the place to discuss this and was also asked to pass over it by another poster.

I don t think anyone who has not experienced it knows what it is like to be abused for the circumstances of your birth and that is all I thought about when I read that term on the thread. A 7 year old little girl being referred to in that way is wrong. I feel very strongly about this for various personal reasons. I am not just waiting to be offended by Mumsnet.

VS I did post on the initial Big Brother thread first with a post for NJM and then posted here later in the morning.

I still think it is an extremely offensive term and it was not used in a general context the op was referring to someone specific and that makes it unacceptable imo.

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VictorianSqualor · 19/06/2008 13:07

That's rubbish.
Alexandra (bb housemate for those of you who don't know) kicked off at Mohammed (another housemate) claiming he was a bad musli8m because he was dressing up in girls clothes and drinking.
NJM said that the Quoran did not advocate underage sex and bastard children'

How is that in any context other than religious?
Are you claiming she has made an assumption on Alexandra's child without even meeting/seeing her and is trying to insult her?
Because you know as well as I, that is not the case.

ALMazing · 19/06/2008 13:10

I don t know that at all VS. Alex has a child born when she was underage and out of wedlock. Who on earth else is NJM talking about?

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notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:10

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whispywhisp · 19/06/2008 13:11

ALMazing....give it a rest now...please?

You've made your point. You didn't like what NJM put on the BB thread. I think you've made that perfectly clear.

Time to put this one to bed now surely please?

notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:12

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Rhubarb · 19/06/2008 13:12

(Re-reading Shakespeare for today's Mumsnet: King John
Enter Robert Faulconbridge and Philip, his brother....Patronagely challenged Philip I know not why, except to get the land. But once he slander'd me with .....

Not got the same ring to it, somehow...

notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:21

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mrsruffallo · 19/06/2008 13:21

Oh, this is crap
NJM's remark was an off the cuff expression loaded with humour.
I don't think it was meant as a genuine insult to children of unwed parents or muslims.

ALMazing · 19/06/2008 13:21

Do you know I just sat and typed a lengthy response to all this and then deleted it because you are right whisywhisp time to walk away.

NJM you were wrong to use that term and you are now trying to dodge the issue. Keep going I couldn't give two hoots about it now. Please feel free to get this thread deleted if you feel so strongly about it.

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VictorianSqualor · 19/06/2008 13:22

She wasn't wrong to use that term!

notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:23

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ALMazing · 19/06/2008 13:25

Thank you. If it only stops one more person from using that offensive term it will be worth all the strife.

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WilyWombat · 19/06/2008 13:25
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Rhubarb · 19/06/2008 13:26

I've got a bastard of a headache reading this thread!

herbietea · 19/06/2008 13:27

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persil36 · 19/06/2008 13:27

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TotalChaos · 19/06/2008 13:28

f*ck wrong login! Sorry, it was TotalChaos ranting!

notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:28

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ALMazing · 19/06/2008 13:31
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WilyWombat · 19/06/2008 13:31

njm - you can apologise as many times as you like but someone else will come along to tell you what a horrible person you are...trust me I have been there

Now...step back from the thread and let it go...apologies are rarely accepted graciously on here....the need to put the boot in one more time is rarely resisted.

Oliveoil · 19/06/2008 13:33

the term is vile BUT the context in which NJM used it is not

she, imo was using it as a term regarding some loon in BB

which I do not watch as I am not a bastard (of any sort)

notjustmom · 19/06/2008 13:33

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mrsruffallo · 19/06/2008 13:33

I've beeen there too, njm.
It feels like bullying, but it's just the nature of the forum!!
Walk away

Rhubarb · 19/06/2008 13:36

Look, would you all like a stick to beat njm with?

Let me quote you something shall I? Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Would you honestly like all Literary works rewritten so as not to cause offence to sensitive souls such as yourselves?

Most of you are just jumping on the bandwagon how and haven't even read njm's post in context. And she can apologise until she's blue in the face, but someone will want to put their twopennythworth in.

It's a ridiculous argument started by someone who could have just said on the original thread that she found it offensive and left it at that.

It's hardly the most controversial of topics is it?