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Is this a form of abuse?

108 replies

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:13

I don't know why I want to label this. It probably won't make me feel any better, but I'd like a label all the same.

So, I won't go into all the details, but here are the salient points.

I have a child. I had this child on my own. I then got into a relationship when she was very young. I was with my boyfriend for 3 or 4 years. We never lived together, and my DD never called him "daddy." I have always been truthful with her. I didn't ask this man for any money or help. He would see my daughter (for example, on days out), but provided nothing in terms of day-to-day care. She now has very hazy memories of him.

I finished the relationship almost four years ago for a whole host of reasons.

He couldn't accept this. He spent two years harassing me. I took this to the police several times, and nothing was done about it. He was never violent with me, and so it was decided that they wouldn't pursue it. The harassment included postcards, letters, emails, gifts, turning up at my house and the school, and sending voice recordings. Hundreds and hundreds of them. Maybe over 30 hours of voice recordings were sent to my email. Eventually, he gave up. Or so I thought. I didn't hear anything for a year.

Then, and this is the worst bit, I got a call from the police saying he had acknowledged my child, and he was now on her birth certificate as the father. I am not in the UK. Here, a man can put his name on the birth certificate without the mother's knowledge or consent. My daughter and I are British, but she was born here. Overnight, her nationality changed. He then filed for visitation rights.

By this point, he hadn't seen my daughter in over two years. And he knows he's not the father. But there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. I have to now fight through the courts to get him off. I'm doing this. I put the wheels in motion the moment I found out about it. It will take a long time. Years. In the meantime, the custody/visitation case keeps being postponed by my lawyer, hopefully until we can get him off the birth certificate.

OK... that's enough details. I could go on and on about everything I've had to do to fight this man, but it would make for a long read. My case is good. I have lots of witnesses. I am paying more money than I can afford for a good lawyer. I think I will win. A DNA test will be ordered by the court, and that should be the end of it. However, what I keep coming back to is the idea that this is a form of abuse. A form of staying in control. He is from this country. I'm not. He probably thought I'd lie down and take it. I don't know what his reasons are because I have not spoken to him and will never speak to him again. What I want to do, once I've sorted out my own case, is try to stop this from happening to other women. It's a kind of state-sanctioned abuse in a way, isn't it? What can I do to make people more aware of it? I know he won't be punished for what he's done. He can say he's acting in good faith, he thinks he's the father etc. Men here are allowed to do this. The very best I can hope for is that the birth certificate is rectified, and he can't do it again.

I suppose I want answers. I want to know if this is something the women in this country should know more about. Should I keep fighting after my personal fight is over?

Please be gentle with me. I'm still living this.

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RoniaCheetah · 02/04/2026 13:17

Good grief. This sounds awful and definitely is abuse. You're going through so much so it's amazing you're even considering how to help others

Whether you should is very much a personal question. Would it be great for things to change and women to be aware of it? Undoubtedly. But as you say you're still living it so don't feel you have to take it on. If you can and have the strength and capacity to do it, campaign and take the inevitable push back (which will be considerable) then do. But it's asking a lot of yourself and it's ok not to do it.

Catza · 02/04/2026 13:18

I don't know it is abuse and there probably isn't anything you should do right now which may geopardise your court case. But once it's over, you can start looking for women in similar position, set up a support group or advocacy group, campaign, approach the government etc. Not now though. Right now your priority should be getting this sorted for yourself.
Have you contacted British consulate? They should be able to offer you legal assistance as well.

SunnyRedSnail · 02/04/2026 13:24

It's probably not abuse but definitely stalking and harassment!!

I personally wouldn't want to live in a country that allowed things like this to happen!

Dalmationday · 02/04/2026 13:24

This is the fault of the country you are in and their laws (as well as your ex). What sort of country just lets men out themselves on babies birth certificates without any say from the mother or any dna proof? Thats so insane

BarbiesDreamHome · 02/04/2026 13:25

Have you spoken with an international family rights lawyer?

You say you and your daughter are british but she was born elsewhere. From a layperson position, my first question is whether one nationality trumps another.

Like is there a hard legal barrier to stop you flying back to Britain and continuing the legal process in her birth country from a distance? There might be, but you need a skilled lawyer.

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:25

Yes, I've been in touch with the embassy. They've noted what's going on and given me a list of lawyers. I was already sorted on that front, though. The woman I spoke to was absolutely lovely, but they can't interfere in legal cases. It makes me feel very vulnerable because I'm too scared to even leave the country. In theory, because he's her "father", he could get me on international kidnapping charges. Although he doesn't have any rights at the moment (visitation or custody), he can still say he's her father and make me come back. I've given this case everything I can. I think I've explored every possible avenue. I must have spent hundreds of hours trying to sort it out. I've covered every angle. I have all the documentation I need, including the witnesses' statements (from family doctors, schools, daycares, and even the mayor to say that he has never had anything to do with us and none of them have ever met him or known of him).

But I'm so angry. It's put years on me, it really has. I'm in a constant state of fight or flight.

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BarbiesDreamHome · 02/04/2026 13:28

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:25

Yes, I've been in touch with the embassy. They've noted what's going on and given me a list of lawyers. I was already sorted on that front, though. The woman I spoke to was absolutely lovely, but they can't interfere in legal cases. It makes me feel very vulnerable because I'm too scared to even leave the country. In theory, because he's her "father", he could get me on international kidnapping charges. Although he doesn't have any rights at the moment (visitation or custody), he can still say he's her father and make me come back. I've given this case everything I can. I think I've explored every possible avenue. I must have spent hundreds of hours trying to sort it out. I've covered every angle. I have all the documentation I need, including the witnesses' statements (from family doctors, schools, daycares, and even the mayor to say that he has never had anything to do with us and none of them have ever met him or known of him).

But I'm so angry. It's put years on me, it really has. I'm in a constant state of fight or flight.

Has your lawyer explicitly said that he could force you both back? Or just that there are legal processes he could follow to try to make that happen because you've broken a law. Because you could potentially have that run concurrently to the birth certificate removal case and his case against you to return should logicslly automatically fall

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:30

Even the people who live here don't believe it. Obviously, it's not that common. It's usually the other way around. Women chasing men for payments. My friends were all as shocked as I was that this was even possible.

I can't just go back to UK. My life is here. I have a house, a job. My daughter is so happy here. I can't really afford to go back. I've been here half my life.

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Mosaic80 · 02/04/2026 13:30

This is just horrific. What country are you in if you don’t mind me asking (or rough area)? I’d say it’s abusive for sure. Pure control on his part and just evil to target a child he barely knows (at this point) to get at you. Do you think he would go through with having contact or it’s just a control thing that he could?

BeeCucumber · 02/04/2026 13:31

Can you put the biological father’s name on the certificate?

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:34

I'm pretty sure he won't get contact. A judge wouldn't give it (or it would be extremely unlikely) because there's an ongoing case of paternity. If it were to ever happen, I simply could not comply. That's when I'd make a run for it back to the UK and take my chances. There's just no way that could happen.

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SunnyRedSnail · 02/04/2026 13:38

I'm curious which country this is now! I cannot figure it out even with Google!!

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:40

SunnyRedSnail · 02/04/2026 13:38

I'm curious which country this is now! I cannot figure it out even with Google!!

I don't want to say where I am because it would be outing. But it's in Europe.

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Thuraya17 · 02/04/2026 13:42

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:34

I'm pretty sure he won't get contact. A judge wouldn't give it (or it would be extremely unlikely) because there's an ongoing case of paternity. If it were to ever happen, I simply could not comply. That's when I'd make a run for it back to the UK and take my chances. There's just no way that could happen.

What country are you in? This is horrendous and worth sharing where it is to bring awareness that this can even happen.

BillieWiper · 02/04/2026 13:44

How horrendous?! What on earth is going on where a dumped stalker can add themselves to a child's birth certificate despite barely knowing them, never mind being related?! Surely you can say we'll do DNA test to prove he's a complete random who's been harassing you for years.

I really hope the police can do something? Have you spoken to the British consulate/embassy/FCO?

SunnyRedSnail · 02/04/2026 13:47

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:40

I don't want to say where I am because it would be outing. But it's in Europe.

I'm going to guess Turkey!

Doggymummar · 02/04/2026 13:50

Germany Netherlands France all allow this it's bonkers. My friend is going through similar with the French father of her child. He has followed her to the UK now

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:50

DNA tests are illegal here unless a judge orders them

The police can't do anything. They didn't even do anything when he was harassing me on an almost daily basis. I pressed charges, but the judge closed the case. I suppose letters, presents, and flowers on my doorstep aren't evidence of being a proper victim. I feel like a victim, though.

The embassy can't help with the actual legal case. They are aware of it, however, and have advised me.

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Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 13:56

I'm not calm enough at the moment, plus working all the hours I can to make sure I have enough money to pay for my lawyer, but when it's all over, I want to do something to stop it. I don't think most people are even aware of it. The man who has done this is bright, and part of his degree was in law, so I think he thought I wouldn't know how to fight back. He didn't realise that when you're an ACTUAL parent, and someone threatens your child, you can become a fucking tiger.

I don't know how to go about making a change. But I'm so angry, I don't feel I can let it lie. Maybe I could write a book about it. Maybe that'd be a bit of a boring book, I don't know. But I think if there was more awareness, people wouldn't put up with it.

It wasn't because he'd been my boyfriend that he was allowed to do this. ANY man could have gone and done it. So, any single mothers whose children don't have the name of a father on their birth certificates are in danger of this.

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Weeelokthen · 02/04/2026 13:57

Bloody hell op. This is a disturbing read!!
I sincerely wish you well in the removal of his name x

EricTheGardener · 02/04/2026 13:57

I know the country you're talking about OP and I think people would be shocked to know this is possible there and that DNA tests aren't legal. What a nightmare for you. After you've sorted out your case, which will surely go your way, I hope the public prosecutor refers him to the criminal courts for fraud.

Lightuptheroom · 02/04/2026 14:04

It sounds like all parents need to be aware that they must not leave that part of the birth certificate blank. Though, I'm confused why a judge wouldn't order a DNA test at the first step which would then prove there is no case to answer, why is that part of the process so delayed?

notatinydancer · 02/04/2026 14:04

Doggymummar · 02/04/2026 13:50

Germany Netherlands France all allow this it's bonkers. My friend is going through similar with the French father of her child. He has followed her to the UK now

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But the French man is the father , this man isn’t so it’s a completely different situation.

Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 14:05

EricTheGardener · 02/04/2026 13:57

I know the country you're talking about OP and I think people would be shocked to know this is possible there and that DNA tests aren't legal. What a nightmare for you. After you've sorted out your case, which will surely go your way, I hope the public prosecutor refers him to the criminal courts for fraud.

I hope it goes my way. I'm really prepared. Another thing that pisses me off is that his name will ALWAYS be on that certificate, but it'll be barred in the margin. So he will follow us for the rest of our lives.

I don't know about prosecution. I would love it. But I get the feeling that the name will just be removed. He can argue that he thought he was the father.

My feelings are so all over the place that I want revenge. It's taken me all my strength not to contact him to tell him what I think. I daydream about revenge all day, but it's not the right way to go.

The sad thing is, it's put me off relationships forever. I will never look at a man until my child is 26!

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Chocolatebuttons88 · 02/04/2026 14:16

Lightuptheroom · 02/04/2026 14:04

It sounds like all parents need to be aware that they must not leave that part of the birth certificate blank. Though, I'm confused why a judge wouldn't order a DNA test at the first step which would then prove there is no case to answer, why is that part of the process so delayed?

I don't know why it takes so long. It's infuriating. I've been at this for a year already, and we don't seem to be moving forward. My daughter needs her own legal representation. A social worker and a lawyer to make sure her rights are being represented. That took ages. We present our arguments. He presents his, and he hasn't yet. In his arguments for custody, he had the dates of every time we'd visited his house. That's all he's got. Photos of us together. But that only proves a relationship, not that he was her father. It makes no sense. If he were her father, why not put his name on the certificate when she was a baby? He did it when she was 7.5 years old.

My daughter's lawyer gets to have a say. I've spoken to the social worker involved, and I feel confident that she believes me.

I'm hoping that the judge will request DNA tests at the next hearing. That will then take months. It's just a nightmare, and I feel like our lives are on hold. I thought about moving. If I move and don't tell him where I've gone, I could get in trouble. He is currently her legal father. He doesn't have custody or parental authority, but if I go somewhere, he will play up. I'm in limbo. I'm trying to hold it all together, but to be honest, it isn't easy. I'm just working, working, working to get some money saved so that when I can go, I'll have a bit of a buffer. I think about it all day, though. All day. I feel constant anxiety in my chest.

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