Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

[LucyWestenra]

AIBU for thinking it won’t? Because it doesn’t seem to be the case in this country or my home country (Germany).

(I just googled because it didn’t seem right to have antisemitism in lower capitals, but apparently that is correct, as I thought)

Much love to the Jewish community, wherever they are.

❤️

Oh please. I know many Jewish people and am no anti-Semite. Most people oppose Netin fu-face and are anti-zionists.

Genocide is okay, but Anti-Zionism is not. Islamophobia is okay, but anti fascism is not.
Muslim people are semites, Jewish people are semites.

Anti-semitism IS definitely a thing, but it's not only Jewish people who face it!

@Citruswood what is your definition of a Zionist? To me, a Zionist is someone who believes in the right of Israel to exist. To be Anti-Zionist is to deny the right of Jews to live in peace in Israel.

@Clardiganexactly. When I give my DCs obviously Muslim names for appointments etc, I dread their reaction. I work in a C of E school and it took me years to reveal my family’s names as I couldn’t trust I wouldn’t get a reaction. This is why I do understand how Jewish people must be feeling. My jewish neighbour has a dc at uni and I do worry about what she might be experiencing, as I had to about my own children when there was a lot of islamic terrorism in Europe. Actually the Southport riots were really scary and I was glad my family was in my dh’s country.

I applaud you for not giving up ❤️

I'm just to tired to see comments like in this thread, eg people not even covering the basics and not knowing that many Jews are "brown people".

@Workplaceworrier I wish that people would read "Jews don't count". But they would only do it if they were interested to learn. It is so much easier to just hate/be ignorant.

Over the last few years I've unfortunately lost a lot of respect for many around me for this very reason.

and @Citruswood I think you are being disingenuous with your use of semite to somehow detract from the racism they suffer; a slightly cleverer effort at "all lives matter". We all know that biblical definition of semite is archaic and the word in common usage refers to Jews.

No, I'm anti apartheid and colonialism. Maybe my definition of anti Zionism differs from yours, maybe I've read up it's history. I don't believe in there being a chosen people, regardless of creed. Ethno theocracy is wrong on all grounds: Saudi Arabia included.

Of course many Jews are openly and visibly Jewish. That doesn’t mean that others are not hiding it so thank you so much for dismissing my experience. I missed the part where I called you personally or anyone an antisemite.

It really was an enlightening book. However, give it 10 minutes you will have the usual comments (like they're the first to say it) that we should completely disregard the author and his comments as irrelevant because of a poor-taste sketch he did 30 years ago, for which he has apologised numerous times, including to the person in question.

I took my English white husband’s name and gave my kids that name for an easier life, instead of the Muslim one. So they wouldn’t have to face discrimination on paper at least.

You don't have to be antisemitic to not think Israel's expansion is illegitimate. I 100% think Jewish people should have the right to exist peacefully (like everyone else). I don't think there is some superior right for Israel to kill and take over other country's territory to create a state to facilitate that. To me those two beliefs are not contradictory in the slightest and I really don't understand how the second is controversial.

I am currently reading the God Delusion - he makes an interesting point about how religion somehow comes with this right to never have beliefs or actions questioned because they are in the name of religion. I may disagree with elements of various religions, that does not make me anti or discriminatory of any of them, but I certainly don't believe that people should be able to say or do everything just because it is the name of religion.

You have perceived that, that I'm being disingenuous. Any form of hatred is wrong, whether that be against a Muslim or a Jew, a traveller or a immigrant, etc

Thank you!

I know I said I’d step away, but this is too important.

I was refering to title of the thread.

But I thought you hated Zionists?

British Jews who support what the Israeli Government is doing in Gaza, the West Bank and in Lebanon will rightly be criticised. They are slaughtering civilians including children and there is evidence that a member of the IDF tortured an 18 month old baby with cigarette burns on its legs.

Do you agree with the new law that has just been passed in Israel where capital punishment by hanging will be introduced for Palestinians and non-Israelis, but not Jewish citizens. This is a system of apartheid that is even worse than what South Africa did.

Justified criticism of the Israeli government isn't antisemitic. My late father was Jewish and he would be appalled by the actions of the State of Israel and the far-right Netanyahu government.

@itsadlibitum ah, you're talking about expansion. That is different. Zionism refers to the belief of a Jewish homeland in Israel - not expansion.

I would argue that Israel expanding its borders was a very rational response to the wars of aggression launched by its Arabic neighbours hell bent on its destruction. But this isn't that thread. Its about Jewish prejudice being taken seriously.

Starting a post only focussed on anti-sentiment towards one group is telling. As if one side is somehow more deserving of peace and compassion than the other. As if one set of people have a greater right to exist than the other.

I feel empathy for those who face hatred and those who oppose hatred in all its forms. I feel pity for those who only feel hatred.

I don't hate them, I pity them. Your words, not mine.

This is a system of apartheid that is even worse than what South Africa did.

Nailed it.

I guess it depends on when you consider the expansion started.

I was under the impression that many Zionist believe the areas that are currently Palestine (just!) form part of the biblical Israel. And even part of Egypt, no? This is the reason that Zionists are encouraging settlements in the West Bank and seizing Gaza.

My point is that I, politically and ethically, am very opposed to Zionist ideology on that basis. I don't consider a map in the bible (or descriptions in holy texts) legitimate reason to take sovereign territory and kill people. I have absolutely no issue with Jewish people though.

But if a person cam on here and has written a thread expressing a hope that racism towards people of Romany heritage would one day be taken as seriously as say, racism towards people of African origin, would you be all over them like a rash? Even if that assertion was incorrect, you'd, I'm sure, have compassion for their "lived experience"?

Netin What's his name is remarkably similar to Eugene Terreblanche, also the leader of a far right ethno theocratic political party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging

You mean to you, a Zionist is someone who believes in the right of Israel to exist at the expense of Palestinian lives.
To be anti Zionist is to deny the right of Jews to kill Palestinian and Lebanese civilians and eliminate Palestine from existence.

Jews lived in that region before the creation of Israel. It is about Zionist ideology, not Jews. Jews were much safer in Palestine than in Europe.

I'm not for one minute saying Jewish aren't or haven't been discriminated against. I'm articulating that only focussing on one group and not being equally as outraged about genocide is wrong. That an ethno theocracy is wrong.