Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

[LucyWestenra]

AIBU for thinking it won’t? Because it doesn’t seem to be the case in this country or my home country (Germany).

(I just googled because it didn’t seem right to have antisemitism in lower capitals, but apparently that is correct, as I thought)

Much love to the Jewish community, wherever they are.

❤️

Are they the only group who are discriminated against? 🤔 So why act like they are the only people who are? FWIW, the majority of people can distinguish between semitism and Zionism and are not anti-Semitic.

If you're not Jewish, could you be an Evangelical Christian? I'm wondering why you don't bother vehemently standing up for other heavily marginalised groups in the UK like Travellers, refugees, ethic minorities and such.

Islamophobia is capitalised because Islam is a proper noun. When antisemitism used to be hyphenated (“anti-Semitism”), a capital S was used.

(You can see this here, plus an explanation of why the non hyphenated version is preferred https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism )

Isn't 'whataboutery' exactly what you did here?

Apparently the government in this country is looking to appoint an ‘anti-Muslim’ hostility tsar.
Will the same courtesy be afforded to the Jewish community?

ie, 'they're tackling anti-Muslim hostility, what about antisemitism?'

I don't see why you need to pit these two against each other. Both need dealing with. Encouraging hostility between religions and arguing 'who is the most oppressed' helps no one.

It’s not been so far so I don’t think it will be in the foreseeable. I am not Jewish or Muslim but I live in an area that is predominantly Jewish. I’m disgusted by the need for security guards in schools and synagogues - I think if this was any other section of society the media/powers that be would be voicing their outrage.

People murdered at their place of worship and being the intended targets for mass murder because they are Jews, yet the march last week was against Islamophobia. I’d like it to make sense.

I may be speaking out of turn here, but I’d say most Jewish people are not anti-Zionist, because if the past few years have shown us anything, it’s that Jewish people need a ‘safe space’ to call home.

The fact that Jewish people have left this country to move to Israel because they felt under threat over here should give everyone pause for thought.

Same. I am a liberal Muslim and got all sorts of comments and ‘jokes’ after 9/11, 7/7 and the London Bridge attacks. My hijab-wearing family got abuse and physical attacks and the men faced discrimination every single time they flew anywhere. Nobody gave a shit. Nobody marched against Islamophobia. The media didn’t care. It was expected and accepted.

That’s exactly why my Jewish friends have all my support right now. I text them and support them and make sure their kids at university are doing ok.

We have much more in common than difference and need to stick together against all bigotry.

Islamophobia in the UK has been horrendous for decades and decades. Made much worse after 9/11 in the US.

I am a white catholic (non practicing). In my childhood we were raised and taught all throughout school to sympathise with the Jews following World War Two. Obviously quite rightly so.

Thank you for your post!

This is what I meant; it doesn’t nearly get as much coverage as it would if it were another group.

It’s like it’s being normalised.

And I’m sick of it.

Would you like it if there was Islamophobia around? That is the vibe you are giving off.

People who feel oppressed should be uniting - not saying they’re having a worse time than someone else.

Oh go away.

Honestly

Just dont .

It is indeed harder to hide brown skin. As a person of South Asian heritage it's essentially impossible to walk around in the UK without being perceived as 'other', and your appearance will trigger anti-Islamic prejudice as well as plain racism.

I've certainly come across Hindu and Sikh people from South Asian backgrounds who go out of their way to advertise that they're not Muslim, so maybe that's the flip side of Jewish people hiding (or at least not advertising) their backgrounds.

I once worked with a guy of Pakistani heritage who had OCA (oculocutaneous albinism). Consequently he was often perceived as 'white'. I had a few interesting conversations with him about it. Although his clearly unusual appearance was the target of curiosity and sometimes drew unwanted attention, his impression was that his career probably hadn't been harmed by avoiding some of the Islamophobic prejudice others in his community encountered.

Is Israel really safer than the UK or any other country right now? No, it's not.

And yet some Jewish mumsnetters have moved there.

Why do you think that is?

They shouldn't have to hide it, but they can hide it. Pretty hard to hide your skin colour and a lot of people will assume your religion from that.
Not sure that life as a British Muslim as as much fun as you think.

No, you go away. You seem to think that hatred is okay, only if it's not against Jewish Zionists. How is stolen land/colonialism and apartheid ever okay? Please explain like I'm 5.

You need to stop being so full of hate. Progress won’t be made that way.

I am a Muslim living in the most Jewish constituency in the country. Because of that, the kids and I happen to have lots of Jewish friends. I have no Muslim friends here but we are still a strong community. I have been to many joyous bat and bar mitzvahs and my Jewish friends text me Eid Mubarak. We support each other and condemn both Islamophobia and antisemitism, and abhor hate attacks.

We need to fight antisemitism. But we don’t need to diminish the impact of Islamophobia to achieve that surely?

Neither are dealt with, so I guess it’s pretty level.

Because they believe they'll feel safer there - let's hope that it turns out that they are safer there. Meanwhile my cousin and Israeli family moved back (in her case) to Germany 3 years ago.

It’s easier to be Jewish in Israel.

@Usernamenotfound1 "people have strong opinions on Israel and Palestine, but I’m not sure that is hatred of Jews and the Jewish faith."

So how does that align with the burning of 5 charity ambulances, the fatal synagogue attack last October and a 17% rise in hate crimes towards jews which is significant given that they only account for 0.5% of the population of England and Wales. It should be noted that a proportion of that statistic is attributable to the far right, which is deeply chilling don't you think.

With the amount of headlines a few ambulances got over the amount of headlines racist murders get I don't think that antisemitism is at risk of not being taken seriously any time soon.

I spoke to my Israeli friend yesterday. They live near Tel Aviv. She normally has a dark sense of humour about what’s going on. But with the endless sirens and having to enter the shelters, and her son doing his National Service right now, she sounded out of her mind with stress.

I am neither so don't feel particularly well qualified to say either way, but completely anecdotally I feel like Islamophobia is generally treated as more "acceptable" than antisemitism and I notice more of it than the other way around.

I do recognise there is current a lot of political dissent to Zionism as a result of the genocide in Gaza, but I would not say that is inherently antisemitic necessarily (although sometimes the language does cross over).

Please cite these official figures. Please also tell me how living in Israel is safe for those who oppose it's far right politics, how it's safe for the youth who are forcefully conscripted, how it's safe for Palestinians who are constantly attacked by Israeli settlers. Please also tell me about the roots of Zionism. Please tell me why Orthodox Jews in New York oppose the genocide and the far right Israeli government.