Will antisemitism ever be looked at and dealt with in the same way as Islamophobia is?

[LucyWestenra]

AIBU for thinking it won’t? Because it doesn’t seem to be the case in this country or my home country (Germany).

(I just googled because it didn’t seem right to have antisemitism in lower capitals, but apparently that is correct, as I thought)

Much love to the Jewish community, wherever they are.

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I don’t need to explain. The full history is right there…

You're right, you don't need to explain. It just makes a conversation difficult to have when you won't engage with questions asked. I hope that this will be remembered.

People are repeatedly going on about nobody caring about antisemitism, despite people like me asking questions and trying to understand.

I think people are getting just a little weary of this constant attempt to get people to think about antisemitism, with a number of individuals going on and on in various threads but then failing to engage when legitimate questions are asked.

If the aim is to get people to see how important antisemitism is to consider, the outcome is not going to be what is wanted if this relentless barrage of nothingness carries on. It's becoming very tedious.

PM'd!

There have been over 20 attacks on UK mosques in the past 6 months including one which left £30,000 worth of damage. Most of these were not mentioned in the mainstream press and were only reported online by anti racism organisations via police stats.

Islamophobia is very real and hyporbolic threads like this diminish the threat it poses and minimises the harm it does. Putting groups of marginalised people against each other is really crass.

You’ve actually had me re-reading my post several times to see if I wrote it wrong.

If you think I am in the category of those who repeatedly go on about no one caring about antisemitism, then I strongly recommend you read the full quote of what I was responding to.

It’s also fuck all to do with Jewish people I. Europe. You just made her point.

I apologise, Bedlam. This post still reads as confusing without context but I've done what I should have done and gone back through, looking at the quoted posts. It's been a very weird few days but I can see that we are coming from the same place - please forgive my mistaken belief that it was otherwise! Sorry for making you think you'd gone mad - I've spent too many hours recently thinking the same about myself!

In my defence, I'm exhausted as I was up until a very silly time making sure that people weren't being misrepresented on a different (now deleted) thread. I hope that clears things up from my side - sorry again x

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No worries. English wasn’t my first language so I can still make mistakes when rushing or am tired, hence why I wasn’t sure if I made a mistake and was so confused!

This place does make you feel mad when it comes to topics such as racism, immigration and Islam, and I’ve long realised that you’re never going to get through to people who are close minded so no point in tiring yourself out trying to get them to see things differently.

But some people in the UK do openly support the actions of the Netanyahu government, no matter how extreme, such as the new law for the capital punishment by hanging for Palestinians but not Jews. Even white South Africa didn't go that far under apartheid.

Surely it is OK to criticise and judge people in the UK, Jews and non-Jews, who support all the actions of this extremely right wing Israeli government?

But why is it relevant on a thread on antisemitism in the UK?

According to some posters on here and on many similar posts, if you criticise the actions of the current Israeli government your really just doing so to hide your rabid antisemitism.

Nobody is going mad. It is the nature of these posts. Someone asks a loaded question. An echo chamber emerges. Some challenge the echo chamber and ask valid questions. The echo chamber sneer at the question and decide that person must hate Jews. Over and over again.

It’s not, but that won’t stop any thread about antisemitism being dragged back to Israel and Palestine.

I forgot to add, somewhere in the middle of all that there is a theology/human geography ‘off’.

That’s shocking! I’ve not seen all that but he shouldn’t be allowed any public platform if that’s what he posts.

Meanwhile a teacher from Batley is still in hiding and fearing for his life for far less.

I think we’ve fallen into the trap of trying to placate where there is extreme anger which just encourages further shows of extreme anger. I can’t understand why the authorities have not prosecuted the ringleaders in Batley making the threats to this teacher as a deterrent.

Nonsense. Lots of Israelis hate Netanyahu and protests against the government’s actions in Israel have been commonplace for years. Nobody thinks they’re antisemitic.

I think a more logical way to put it is that not everyone who criticises the Israeli government is antisemitic but all antisemites will always criticise the Israeli government.

I was referring to some of the people on this posts and similar posts. I think most people are aware that lots of Israelis are against Netanyahu.
I take umbrage to the banding about of the word antisemite to close down discussion.

While any attack on a mosque (or any other place of worship) is abhorrent, not all of these attacks should be automatically attributed to Islamophobia.

Have you looked at how many attacks in churches and synagogues and actual anti semitic murders there has been in the same time frame?

This mosque attack appears to be a m/h issue.

Mohammed Abbkr

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/man-sentenced-hospital-order-setting-fire-worshippers-they-left-mosques

There is also violence between different Asian communities:

Arif Ali Rafiq, a British born Asian man.

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/man-charged-with-attempted-arson-at-kettering-mosque-appears-in-court-5351015

The 2 examples above were not in the last 6 months, which was the reference I made.

The majority of attacks on mosques and people who are visibly Muslim still come from Muslim haters e.g the Arson attack on Peacehaven mosque, the man entering Manchester mosque with an axe(!) while worshippers were present, the man leaving bacon at a mosque in Bristol during Ramadan. That's just 3 I remember off the top of my head. There are plenty of other examples.

I dont think the fact that potentially a very small number of mosque attacks being due to non hateful reasons should be used to diminish the real level of hate coming towards Muslims from white supremacists and racists.

My response was meant to quote/respond to the person above but for some reason it didn't quote.

Israel is a Jewish state and the vast majority of UK Jews are in support of it. I think it's fair to say Israel has got something to do with Jews. Not that that in any way excuses antisemitism.

UK Jews are not responsible for the decisions and actions of the Israeli government.

Pakistan is a Muslim country. We don't hold UK Muslims to account for Pakistan's genocide and war crimes like the recent bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan which murdered 400.

No one said they are? Muslims in the UK are very much held accountable by actions of mere individuals around the globe, nevermind countries (which are countries, not even Islamic states) so please crawl out from under your rock before making such inaccurate statements. "Osama bin Laden!" is still used as a slur, often shouted by people who weren't even born in 2001.

In the U.K., sad to say, antisemitism has become - although I hate to use the word - almost ‘fashionable’, largely because of Gaza, and so many people choosing to ignore the fact that the whole disastrous mess was started by Hamas, who would like to see the entire Jewish race wiped out.

Plus of course the U.K. government is cringingly anxious to appease the Muslim population, since they account for an awful lot more votes than the Jewish ditto.

If Pakistan had brought Afghanistan to the ground and killed 75,000, rightly or wrongly we some might hold British Pakistanis to account. I would say that this was wrong because I know that the British Pakistani community are not homogenous and a like any community there is a spectrum of views . The Jewish people in my life…. My best friend, my next door neighbour and the Hasidic Jewish I worked for for years have very different views on the Netanyahu government. However in the real world where human nature comes into play I think it is quite naive/ exceptional to ask on these threads why there may be a rise in anti semitism in Jewish communities outside Israel .
In my view, the British Jewish community are autonomous and are of course not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. This view does not however stop me from holding to account those blocking discussion calling anyone and everyone antisemites .

What has the UK government done to appease the Muslim population? Can you give some examples? Labour lost a number of previously safe seats in the 2024 General Election due to their stances on Israel/Palestine which resulted in many Muslim voters switching their vote to either Independent candidates or to the Green Party.

They are about to lose thousands of seats in the council elections in May as even more pro-Palestine voters, Muslim and non-Muslim, will be voting Green or for Independent candidates rather than for Labour.

Muslim voters feel massively betrayed by this Labour Government. I certainly can't think of anything that the Labour government has said or done to 'appease' the British Muslim population.