Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

Well your DD is an ST1! The £79-80K is overall average salary for STs. Luckily your DD will get automatic pay progression.

There was no clarification given about which grade of ST. So an ST7 would be on this wage ?

Oh and there is no automatic pay progression. Several years have no pay rise. And nothing is automatic as ARCP needs sorting, exams need passing.

F1s are not fully qualified as they are only provisionally registered with the GMC - not sure why tht is difficult to understand mums.

Also respect is earned not owed by anyone to anyone. I greet all my students with consideration and respect. It waxes and wanes depending on how they grow and evolve, address challenges and take charge of their training and careers.
I do not respect the entitled who expect it all on a plate and do the bare minimum to achieve what they need to progress.
Today in discussion with a medical student on asking if they knew where there next jobs were - the response, dont know. We discussed the idiocy of a system which treats adults like children in telling them where to go and live and work for 2 years with no consideration of their wants and needs. We were in complete agreement.
The next response was completely spontaneous from the med student - he said none of us try harder because it makes no difference, we will get a job and getting high marks makes no difference to what happens to us.
That was depressing to hear -we have created a generation who will do the bare minimum to progress and not strive for excellence which has always driven medical developments and innovation. This was an extremley motivated med student who I have known over 3 yrs.

I expect @Marchesman does treat them with respect. There is nothing here to suggest otherwise.

Every degree programme in every university does have some students who don’t belong. @Marchesman may focus more on DEI and I might look to other factors, but it is a fact.

The pause rate of 75%,after F2 (not applying for training) does suggest some kind of problem. It is not disrespectful to discuss it.

Again, a consultant is paid to do much more than train and support doctors just as an academic in a research intensive university is paid to do much more than teach undergraduates.

The system has completely demotivated students to do well. Not the students fault. A stupid stupid system.

F1s do not need to do anything more to get full licence, except complete F1. So fully qualified - nothing more to do. And often they are carrying the bleeps at 2am in DGHs.

Read the other threads. The rudeness and patronising attitude towards all resident doctors has been disgusting. And apparently only a handful of Unis are any good. I find this revolting

Yes, some students are not great. And they won't last. The algorithm makes a mockery of the selection process. Hopefully this will change now the MLA is in place.

And that 75% figure is v v out of date.

But there isn’t a newer one so we work with the data we have

And mums you are advocating a system which demotivates people to strive because they have guarnateed traiing and will get a number whether they are good enough or not.

Given your invariably pompous, ill judged, and uninformed posts regarding medical education and training, I'll take that as compliment. Many thanks; and smiley emojis.

F1s are not and have never been fully quualified.They are training posts and should be supervised. I agree with others debt forgiveness is the answer.

Please show me where I have ever said this. Never.

That would be fantastic. But no one is offering it.

F1s do not need to do anything more to get full licence, except complete F1. So fully qualified - nothing more to do. And often they are carrying the bleeps at 2am in DGHs. - not true mums

so they are not fully qualified doctors till they have finished F1 and some do not, so are not fully qualified.

They will be carrying a bleep along with a CT and SPR and CNS etc - they carry a bleep as part of a team which they are a member where they learn and help look after patients. The nurses and medical staff will contact them via the bleep - this is normal and nothing special in any hospital.
They are never the only bleep holder in the hospital

Mums you are advocating for a system where everyone gets a training place simply because they trained in the UK. My med student proved yesterday that the perception is why bother you know you will get something so no reason to strive,A system that expects mediocrity so people ai m for mediocre. Competition is good it improves quality

Yes it is. Know lots of them who have held several bleeps overnight (& during some days), have been first at cardiac arrests. Just because you've not seen it doesn't make it not true.

Some of us have to work now.

Most of us will trust the experience and views of the consultant medics.

Most of us will trust actual real life people we know exist and have met. Not randoms on social media. Because we are not 13.

Utter utter rubbish that an F1, F2,CT1,2 or ST3-8 is th eonly bleep holder in the Trust - having in worked in a lot of hospitals and currently work across 4 - this just is not true.
You might be the first doctor to tunr up to an arrest but you will not be the only person there - senior nurses, AHPS etc will also be there. Most hospitals have arrest teams.
Mums I respect your point of view on many things but on this you are talking utter utter rubbish

Scary situation for the F1 who is first to arrive, but they have the ward staff ( it's quite common for ward nurses to be ALS trained) and senior decision makers are on their way.

@mumsneedwine the doctors on here do trust actual real life people they have met! They work in hospitals with junior doctors every day and know what happens. You are a random on social media.

You are the random who firmly believed that all doctors are consultants once they finish their training, even if they can't get a consultant job.

And that all consultants are called "Mr" because they are consultants regardless of speciality.

I'd hope some are called 'Mrs' or 'Miss'.

None of us know who others are on here, so I'll believe doctors I know, work with and meet in person. And quite rightly you can ignore me. Doesn't make me wrong though.

And again, not sure when that's been said. But let's not let facts get in the way.

Tea break over.

It certainly had been said. (Last thread, or the one before or the one before that....)
You could name change to escape past embarrassment.

Ah the insults have started. Never takes long. Can't argue so insult. Same old. Maybe people here are 13 after all !

The trainee medics I know want the jobs. They couldn’t give a damn about the pay. They want jobs, and are mightily pissed off at the BMA sinking their very valid requests for jobs by consistently tagging on a greedy little gripe about pay to every strike.

The BMA need to look around and get a grip. Who has had solid real times pay increases since 2008? Pretty much no one! Read the room FGS. You’re not special.