Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

@Alexandra2001 Many lawyers! A few hours sleep at times if London based big 4 or American owned.

How much does a lawyer working for a Magic circle law firm earn?

Also, the pp who i replied too, said "many professions" & of course a regional lawyer will not be working these hours, so your example covers a small minority.

It is not a good look for the government.

@PurpleFairyLights It’s a very good stanve from the government! 30% in three years is a stonking pay rise. KS isn’t putting up with it and the public have paid enough. Public opinion polls are not supporting the doctors. Over 35% in 4 years is amazingly good. Go Labour leadership. Notice they are getting their overtime over Easter!

I don’t understand KS’s logic in threatening to remove 1000 potential training places - surely that ultimately harms patients?

@Alexandra2001 , @MeetMeOnTheCorner

You cannot compare income between the public and private sectors. The whole set up is different, and YP are aware of this at early stages of career decision making.

Consultants have the option to do lucrative private work.

@Whatisrichandhaveiearnedit That’s not exactly the case. The NHS brings in qualified and trained doctors from abroad. The hospitals find this cheaper than employing young doctors and training them further. The government was making sure this didn’t happen. It’s a good deal.

It’s not a good deal - not in the long term for patients

Exactly. On LBC this morning they were saying the same. We have so few doctors per capita already.

Spot on. I had one of those jobs in the nineties and worked bonkers hours. Not magic circle law but big 4 consultancy. However, I was earning six figures by my mid-twenties and that was thirty years ago. What I did had nowhere near the responsibility of a doctor.

@HugoElephant But salary isn’t linked to perceived responsibility is it? Never was and never will be. It’s supply and demand and the public purse. There’s many many people wanting highly paid jobs in London. Very very few get them. Thousands apply for the training positions. Doctors, until recently, do their degree, get their training and have a job for life. Apart from degree, they are trained by others and don’t pay. In fact we pay. If they would love a city career, go and get one but they might find it more difficult then they thought.

Doctors don't pay to become doctors?

They come out with £100k at least student debt and pay back an estimated £150k in interest. Doctors invest £250k themselves to become doctors.

Government invest £160k to train doctors.

Apart from degree, they are trained by others and don’t pay. In fact we pay

But they ARE working and doing job/providing a service with responsibility and consequences when training - they are not supernumerary, as evidenced by the cancelled operations, clinics etc when they are not around.

One doctor I know did FY1 and FY2 ... And then jumped to do big 4 strategy consulting...

Keir Starmer is most definitely 'putting up with it'. They've been on strike multiple times during the course of his leadership at a cost of £250 million per strike. He's weak and utterly clueless about how to deal with the issue and is throwing his dummy out of the pram now because the next strike is perfectly timed to do maximum damage ahead of the May elections - Starmer's judgement day.

I've worked with a surgeon who jumped over to Big 4 Strategy consultancy. He was excellent. Super bright, excellent team management skills and made the transition with ease. Also brought good perspective to the culture of what a true crisis really was.

With the London allowance, a second year medical trainee earns slightly more than a first year trainee in a Magic Circle law firm.

Outside London, The Law Society recommends that their trainees are paid £24,916 - roughly £20,000 less than a trainee in medicine.

Doctors get absolutely minimal London weighting. All Agenda for Change staff get multiple times what the doctors are paid.

If it was huge, I would have said a second year medical trainee earns hugely more than a first year trainee in a Magic Circle law firm.

Where will we magic this money up for doctors?

They are selfish. I work in local government and the current offer on the table for us in 26/27 is 3.3%. My husband works in the private sector and he hasn’t been offered any pay increase this year or in a lot of previous years. My sympathy for the doctors has waned massively and it feels like they can hold the country to ransom.

Well the poor government has to make some hard choices and it doesn’t like people to earn money and choose how to spend it freely.

The hard choices would include: freezing pensions, or other expenditure on old people; or spending on education or unemployment or benefits - for asylum seekers as well as for disabled people - so where do you want the cuts made? What limits are we willing to put up with?

Personally I think the failure to improve working conditions for doctors is a scandal, and that it is ridiculous to train doctors you then don’t employ but that is not what this strike appears to be about.

@Dragonscaledaisy Well I should have said not putting up with it any more!

It’s much easier to be a doctor than a highly paid lawyer, or management consultant.

Im also fed up with the God like pedestal doctors are on. Some of them, as in every profession, are poor. They have their defects like everyone else. The best do get to be consultants with private work and good for them.

The government has offered to ring fence training but in return for accepting the pay deal.

We cannot keep feeding this monster that is the nhs and accept poor productivity. Others don’t get high pay awards for being inefficient and the NHS needs reform. All the doctors who go abroad go to work accept it’s in insurance/private care. Yet here we are held to ransom by them and they are unionized. Working conditions are the same here for doctors as for ALL NHS employees but the doctors get way more out of it.

Resident Doctors seem to think they are the only people to have seen real terms pay fall since 2008! Its like they are the only ones affected by inflation.

Being married to a recently qualified consultant, I have a great deal of empathy for the lifestyle of a resident doctor. The hours, the expectation to just abandon roots and to hell with your partners' career - you're off to Carlisle for 5 years situations they deal with. With hierarchical attitudes remaining, the ass kissing required to get opportunities etc is nauseating.

Any other profession would have a company car, a company laptop and mobile etc. and have any courses, training and travel paid for. Not doctors!

But. they've enjoyed pay rises far in excess of what the population as a whole has received. To strike over pay is wrong. But its the conditions that they should be striking over, not pay. The BMA is coming across as a militant an d petulant extension of the student union.

So ask for more, strike or leave - same process that the doctors are going through.

I don’t understand the reasoning of “so and so profession/sector didn’t get a pay rise so nor should they”.