Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

And they can all leave. Indentured servitude was a bit last century.

The police and the army can't strike as well.

They get paid for a job they agreed to do. They have to show up and do it.

You really don't like doctors do you ! They'd love to be resident (like those beloved AHPs) but they are forced to rotate.

If you're sick and want to see a doctor you need to ask for one. Because many people like to cosplay at being one (which is a criminal offence).

And I think they are underpaid too. Both get a full
Pension after 30 years, quite rightly. Doctors don't. It's not a competition!

MPs meanwhile gave themselves a 5% pay rise and a £3,000 cost of living allowance. The money seems to be there for some.

That must have been a while back.

I'm not sure they would love to be resident. Do you know that actually means living in the hospital?

Why do they have to live in the hospital ??? They could just work there - like normal people. Residents in US don't actually live on site.

And yes, my DD has enjoyed the pleasure of hospital accommodation 🤢

They renamed themselves “resident doctors” which makes no sense since none of them are resident and the longest shift they work is 13 hours. The job now is a far cry from the days of 72hr on call weekends that the true “resident doctors” worked.

Whats this got to do with Doctors?

They can do 4 13 shifts back to back, 52hrs in 4 days... and on call is 24hr shifts.

Do you support returning to the 72hr working weeks?

Do you do 52hrs in 4 days? not inc travel.

Why would they leave? I thought they were desperate for jobs.

The whole ‘pay us more or we’ll be forced to move to Aus / NZ doesn’t work when so many UK drs would LOVE simply a guaranteed job.

Argue for the jobs, leave the pay argument for now. You sound greedy.

mums - please do your homework
Band 7 PAs in an NHS hospital are paid from 49-56K depending on experience
In GP land it is different

A CT1 basic is 52K
ST3 basic is 65K

And rather than split hairs - you get an offer for a medical school and accept for a lot of people at age 17 and Brighton and Sussex will allow you start aged 17 but must turn 18 in the first year.

Alexandra2001 - FY1,2 and CT1,2 do not do 24 hr on calls it is all shift working
SPRs ST3-8 may do 24 hr oncalls but this is getting less common as particualrly in the rpactical specialities shifts destroy your access to training

4 x 13 hr shifts are done in many professions and then time off after these are not every week, but will rotate over a 6-8 week period

Dom i support going back to 70 hr/100+ hr weeks - no i do not but witht hat comes a compromise. You will not be as experienced on 6 yrs of reg training on less than 52 hrs per week than someone who has done 70+. Ergo to be as eperienced when you finishs training as the previous generation you need to spend more time training - which no one wants to do. The result is a generation of junior consultants who need more support from their senior colleagues in the first few years. Nothing is clearer than on a surgeons log book and believe me it shows.

You can't tell the difference between them until you have spent weeks or months teaching them and reviewing their work. The GMC relies on the weak ones dropping out voluntarily, being picked up by their educational supervisors, being unappointable at the point of entry to CT/ST, or failing Royal College exams, or actually being referred to the GMC. The GMC presumably takes this approach because the accepted way of dealing with poor retention is to throw more graduates into the grinder, and inevitably they are the ones who disproportionately possess markers that predict poorer outcomes.

Regarding progression from F2 into training posts, don't expect to see "prioritisation" of UK graduates making much difference. Most F2s who apply for but fail to obtain a training post are not appointable. It looks as though only "appointable but not offered a post" applicants will benefit. The effect will be diluted further by foreign graduates within the F2 cohort who also seem to be marked for prioritisation. It certainly will not be the case that foreign graduates will get jobs "only after all UKGs have one."

You go into medicine to save lives, help people and because you care in my opinion. Junior doctors knew what the salary was when they start and now all of a sudden it’s a problem?

I find the pay restoration argument bizarre. All public sector staff have seen real terms decreases over the last 10 years.

In the debates it was stated that there were a small amount of IMGs on the foundation programme or doing stand alone F2.

It has stopped the huge influx of IMGs applying from outside the UK for specialty training in its tracks which is fantastic news.

No it has not - if you seriously think that then you know nothing about medical staffing in the NHS.
They will still apply and still come - we can not survive in the NHS without our overseas colleagues - some of whom are British by the way

Watch the debates. IMGs will apply and get training places only after the doctors in the priority group are given training places.

It is about where you did your medical degree.

A British citizen born and bred gets a medical degree overseas for what ever reason is going to be denied a job over a foreign passport holding UK graduate with no leave to remain.
I await that one in court the lawyers are going to have a field day

It was the easiest way to do it. The debates in commons and Lords were very interesting.

I think the work visa issue for non-UK national who obtained a medical degree in the UK so has prioritisation for specialty training may be complex. I don't remember it being mentioned.

Definitely debated UK nationals that did their medical degree abroad will not be prioritised.

Whoever attempts to try challenging UK legislation will need deep pockets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c23909pge35o

This article states the union also cite the war in Iran as a reason.

The article suggests that members haven’t voted on the issue and the union has rejected the offer without balloting? Is that true from those if you in the know? Just trying to work out how unbiased the reporting is.

Government running out of patience, inevitably.

What other degree level professions do a 52hour week in 4 days?

We control strictly, how many hours a lorry driver can drive for (btw quite a bit less than a Doctor)

Dealing with horrific injuries/diseases etc etc

I used to do on-call, its horrible, your time isn't your own, tied to a phone and can never do anything with the family... can't even go for a decent walk, its actually better to be at work.

On training hours... no you re wrong, 72hrs means you're tired, your ability to learn is compromised... make mistakes, some terminal.

Anyway, Labour behaving like the worst of the Tories now, issuing ultimatum's.... is he trying to do a Trump.