Resident doctors synicsl strike again

[uneffingbelievable]

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

I didn't mention your son.

You have proved yourself completely ignorant on several occasions of things which any doctor would know, proving you are not a doctor. I have never tried to pretend I am one, you on the other hand....

Only you think you have to be a doctor to comment. I can comment if I choose.

You seem to find it hard to disagree civilly so it probably would be better if you ignored me (And anyone else who disagrees with you.)

Hasn't worked ?? 2.5 years ago an F1 started on £29,000. They are now on £38,000 going up to £42,000 with any new pay rise. I'll think you'll find the strikes have worked. Still paid less than they were 10 years ago using RPI (as they do for SFE).

UKG prioritisation didn't come out of nowhere either.

UK medical graduate prioritisation best thing Streeting has done.

@PurpleFairyLights best thing anyone has done for a long time. Now just need to get rid of that stupid algorithm and use the MLA to rank and things will be starting to get back to some sanity.

Oh and not use MSRA for specialities that it doesn't have any questions and on !

Also need to start interviewing for GP and psych.

There is also the current problem of many trainees using GP and psych as a foot in the door to other specialty training. It will cause huge problems in the next few years.

@PurpleFairyLights it's madness that the 2 most people interacting specialities don't interview ! Just rely on an exam that's not fit for psyc anyway. Some very odd decisions have been made around medical training in the last decade.
At least the PLAB gravy train is finished. GMC won't like that !

There are quite a few gravy trains that are off the tracks now. Unbelievable this went on for 5 years. I would like to see an investigation.

More than two hundred authors put their names to the paper that I cited. I assume you have read it carefully because it is quite important, and clearly relevant to your worldview. That being so, where have you identified a flaw in their methodology, analysis or conclusions?

Or was your response to it argumentative for the sake of it?

Here it is again:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7222458/

PLAB has not stopped and people will still and come and compete and gain training - that is not going to change.

The first few strikes getting the big pay rise - I supported. The belief that they and only they should have pay restoration and another 25% I do not support - it is not reading the current economic climate and comes across as very very greedy.

And that is your prerogative. As it's mine to disagree. Thankfully we (just about) live in a free country.

IMGs will still come and get jobs. But only after all UKGs have one. Just like the rest of the world at last.

And yet nothing has changed. Why are those 200 people being ignored by the GMC ? Who decides what is good medical education and what isn't ? If some Unis are lacking turn they should be closed now - it's not fair to take students money. RCVS thinks Cambridge Vet course is a bit rubbish and won't fully accredit it until changes are made - why do the GMC not do similar if it's so clear cut ?

I don't have an opinion on the quality of each Unis education as I haven't attended every Uni and can't compare. I've met doctors from lots of them though and I can't tell the difference. And neither it seems can the GMC.

We can disagree about the strikes have no issue with that. Sad that you do not see threatening people with the spectre of death is not appropriate and morally corrupt but we can disagree on that as well.

What I have hated on all these threads is the denigration of other AHPS, professions their skill sets, knowledge. The attitude that only medics are having a hard time and are treated the worst of everyone. The belief of some of the tales about their working conditions just does not ring true with those of us working in hospitals, teaching, educating and working with the residents on a daily basis

I do not believe in the right of any 17 yr old who enters medical school to be guaranteed a well paid job and training in what ever they want, wherever they want - that is just ridiculous and ensures people do not strive to be the best as they know they will get it anyway.

The only loser then is the patient.

This is the problem though. They have already done very well, unlike those on A4C and ancillary staff. Coming back for more immediately is terrible optics and Streeting's patience isn't infinite.

It's awfully low for a highly educated, trained 23 year old with a job of such responsibility.

"Highly educated" well up to a point. They have a medical degree.

"Trained" no, they are trained while they work as junior doctors. They all get their first two jobs and start training. To begin with they cannot work independently. After those first two jobs progression is not guaranteed, getting training posts is competitive.

"Such responsibility" is always ultimately the consultants responsibility.

It really isn’t. We established that with respect to highly trained military in much more competitive positions earlier in this thread.

I’ve agreed there should be economic compensation for holding human life in one’s hand (though I think resident doctors would do better to make common cause with other HCPs on this count). Even allowing for this, they are doing very well economically compared to the nation’s leading young scientists in the public sector. A much more elite cohort, because I mean people who got Firsts from good universities, then good PhDs, and developed strong research programmes but are now struggling because of systemic problems. Each of those stages culls massively.

I believe the public are right to perceive the financial focus of this strike action as tone deaf, misplaced and precious. I will say for the third or fourth time on this thread alone that other concerns such as loan debt, career progression, possible indemnity issues, etc have my full sympathy.

You do know the title of Junior Doctor has been changed to Resident Doctor....

...and that a Resident Dr may have spent many years in a hospital... treating patients and having huge amounts of responsibility...

Perhaps you don't because you don't know much else about the profession.

Takes 2 to strike, the Govt has as much responsibility for this as the Doctors.

On AHP, totally agree, my DD is one, treated very shabbly by the NHS, ultimately by the Govt.

ANPs, AHPs and nurses do an amazing job. But they are not ST7 equivalent. Because if they are then there is no need for 5 years med school, 2 years foundation and 7 years as a doctor. Or the many v expensive exams, studying fit which means doctors lose most of their 20s spare time.

Not sure when they have been denigrated. They are not doctors. It's a fact. Most agree as they are not trained to be an ST4-7. Doctors can't suddenly become physios, paramedics or nurses so why is it ok the other way round ?

Bollocks I'm afraid. F2s are independent. And F1s have to be a lot of the time as no one around to help, except amazing nurses.

You can't enter medical school at 17 in England.

A junior doctor told me he earns £14.50 ana hr. I don’t like them striking but what else can they do?

The government can pass legislation to ban them from striking

They don't anymore. They now earn £18.11 an hour. Strikes work ! Shame they are needed and doctors can't be paid more than their assistants (PAs earn more up to ST5).

But as can be seen on here. Many people hate doctors. Not sure why🤷‍♀️

Rude. They are still junior doctors in that they are not consultants ,i.e. senior doctors. Calling them resident doctors is actually quite funny given that they are definitely not resident.