Resident doctors synicsl strike again

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The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

And a tiny, single room that must be kept immaculately clean and tidy At. All. Times.

Even less of a perk.

Before moving to the UK, I taught at a ‘public Ivy’ in America. My health care was associated with the university’s rather famous medical school. It was a sort of mini NHS, if funding was not an issue. Care was A++.

This does not mean that money was thrown around mindlessly. The reason I am addressing you is that there was a well defined role for PAs. It worked well. In my 15 years in the system your fears did not come to pass.

Again the way to lift doctors wages is to change the healthcare system and to you know actually have market competition

Yeah, well DH and I were at university with medics so aren't remotely dazzled by their brainy brilliance, sorry. When you've seen them wearing a toga and being sick down themselves it's hard to see them as Gods.

Academically, they're no more intelligent than most of their peers at university. It's just that they've chosen medicine as opposed to Chemical Engineering or Dentistry etc.

ladybird -you thought the us/uk pay was comparable - i pointed out the US did double the hours, so the UK did better overall.

At the end of the day our resident doctors are paid ok for the job and hours and different points in their training. They have a well structured and funded career pathway which they can deviate from when ever they want and still progress. They get advisers to help them and give career guidance .

Campaign on student loan interest rates and other working conditions for all graduates and NHS workers then I would support them and do not use the spectre of death as a weapon against people with no choice.

But you didn’t 😆😆😆. Not it our 2 way conversation and I didn’t respond for over a day.

We never discussed working hours - you just said about pay. I converted the currency for you from $ to £ and it is comparable. I never discussed hours with you. Maybe you did with someone else I’m not sure.

You mentioned hours later on down your thread your opinion on hours worked- that I had not replied to.

You're getting yourself all muddled who you’re talking to and what’s been said by who - so don’t quote ppl 😆.

You’re having conversations with yourself.

Pointless talking anymore so I will leave you to it.

I know the role originated there and has worked well. What has been happening in the UK is very different, with plans for non -doctors (of which PAs are included, alongside ANPs etc) to deliver the healthcare generally, with minimal/nominal doctor oversight.

This the the NHS LT plan unfortunately. Less focussed on PAs than it was a couple of years ago.

Ad a STEM academic I can confirm that the professional training required of higher level scientists and engineers seems to be beyond the imagination of some medic partisans on this thread.

As a semi-academic medic I agree. The notion that all UK medical students and medical schools are of a high standard cannot be right. Where an institution has a low bar for entry and teaches little of the basic sciences the output is logically going to be problematic, and there is ample research confirming this.

Exploring UK medical school differences: the MedDifs study of selection, teaching, student and F1 perceptions, postgraduate outcomes and fitness to practise | BMC Medicine | Springer Nature Link

It is not that one profession is more intelligent than another, or their qualifications harder, more stringent - it is just that they apply their intelligence in different but equally challenging ways.
I could not be an engineer my brain just does not work like that, Law and medicine would be my forte as this requires the ability to read vast amounts and recall and apply what I have read related to certain issues,

Please lets not start a war on which profession is more intelligent - there are geeks in all walks of life.

Of all the strange and delusional notions on here this really takes the biscuit. Why, if junior doctors are really, as you would have it, underpaid, overworked, ordered about the countryside, not given time to eat or drink, variously forced to work long shifts but not paid overtime, not given training, and not given jobs for life would any of the obviously intelligent and presumably gainfully employed women on here ENVY them??

No let’s not have a war on intelligence. Let’s carry on with the war about unhappiness that this thread has turned into. Lawyers work hard so doctors shouldn’t complain about working hard. Teachers are underpaid so doctors shouldn’t complain about pay. Lots of engineers are out of work so doctors shouldn’t mention job insecurity.

I LOATHE this race to the bottom attitude on mn. My / my DC’s / my DH’s pay or conditions are shit. So doctors should have shit as well.

A free market instead of state healthcare would ensure high wages

Nail. On. Head.
Whataboutery at its finest on show here. Never understand why threads about medicine end up discussing law and engineering conditions of work (both of which have hundreds of possible employers so if don't like your job you can move elsewhere).
Don't like doctors ? Fine, don't use them 🤷‍♀️.

Once again, I assume you are campaigning to prevent more medical schools opening and for the closure of the ones you deem unacceptable ?

Most start with just international students and so will limit their options. And also options for local people as many newer schools give preference in order to try and increase doctors in that area (rather scuppered by the algorithm for foundation).

But I'm sure the GMC will welcome your information as to why they are wrong and you are right about the rubbish standards of education.

It can’t be than unattractive a career given how difficult it is to get into medical school. I’m a bit fed up seeing crap like they’d get paid more for working in Aldi. Medicine in the upper echelons pays a lot of money and carries a lot of prestige. That’s why it’s so competitive.

Read your posts back. I remember you from other threads. A lot of your posts are pretty unpleasant and I have had to ignore you on other threads before. Bringing my DS into this was very inappropriate. He is nothing to do with this.

Your intense dislike of doctors makes me think you are possibly envious of their job/status/pensions. Depending on your age have you considered applying to medical school?

I understand that It must be hard for you to be on the outside looking in but talking to consultants does not give you insight into how hard resident doctors work.

@PurpleFairyLights if you find my posts unpleasant you are always at liberty to ignore them. You don't seem able to do that, whatever you say. In fact they are far from unpleasant but they are truthful and you do not want to hear the truth.

I certainly do not have an intense dislike of doctors. I have been married to a highly regarded consultant for more than 30 years, so probably have more experience of being around someone working in medicine than you do, seeing as you only have experience of your son's struggles in the NHS jobs market for the last 30 months or so.

I only mentioned your son because your last thread seemed to focus entirely on his problems. From now on he will certainly be Be He Who Must Not Be Referred To.

You are always saying what you find unpleasant. Can I just say that your condescension is extremely unattractive, and your wilful ignoring of the facts surrounding the deficiencies of some medical training positively reckless.

Possibly you are the one who should apply to med. school. You aren't getting much reflected glory from any of the current crop of greedy strikers, who knows you might be able to get some status/pension of your own. I believe it's fairly easy to get in these days.

Prestige ???? Where ??? Can you not read the disparaging and mean remarks people make on here about doctors.
Not sure they feel like they are given much 'prestige' these days. Just abuse I'm afraid.

Oh dear so much dislike of doctors and a resident expert that is not a doctor but married to a doctor of 30 years. Why are they even on this thread?

On other threads I have ignored your threads as they get progressively worse.

Being married to a doctor is still on the outside looking in. You will never understand the life of a resident doctor as you have not been one. Listening to your husband is not the same as walking a mile in their shoes. Also your husband trained under very different circumstances.

Why would anyone with their own successful career need reflected glory from their own children? Very odd attitude for 2026.

I think there may be a happy medium.

Does any other democracy practise a similar system healthcare as the UK?

As far as I know nope. There's universal healthcare across the world (barring the USA) but no NHS model.

@PurpleFairyLights you have never been a junior doctor. Your vast knowledge has been gleaned very recently while fretting over the somewhat stalled career of someone else and is neither a very whole nor truthful picture. Many people on this thread have never been junior doctors, but they, like me and even like you are allowed to have opinions.

Try to read the room. The juniors had a stab at getting more money out of the taxpayer, but it hasn't worked over 15 strikes and I hope it won't work again. Public support for them is very low (look at the poll results at the top of this thread). Anyone struggling to put food on the table or fill their car with diesel must be absolutely appalled by their greed.

You have absolutely no idea of my profession. Most sensible people on MN don't state their exact profession as there are some very unpleasant posters on MN at times that you would be guarding against.

You don't have a medical degree but think you know it all via osmosis due to being married to a doctor. Comedy gold.

Another unpleasant comment about my son. You are just showing yourself up. If you were aware of what he is currently doing you would be embarrassed by that comment.

As I think your behaviour is inappropriate and escalating yet again I will ignore you from now on as I have had to do on other threads.