"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

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Generalisations exist for a reason. There's no need to point out that there are exceptions. When you want to highlight that your comment's universal, you say "All children", for instance. Generalising to "Children" implies "Children in general, for the most part, usually".

Everybody knows this. So there's no need to specify "NOT ALL MEN" each and every time anyone makes a general observation about men, goddamit!

You don't say "Not all dogs [have four legs]" or "Not all ice-cream [is cold]".

Having a penis doesn't make you especially vulnerable to generalisations. So grow up, please, and accept that YOU or your DH are not "all men" - general comments aren't intended to single you out. And if you feel like they are, you're a bit thick, not to mention narcissistic.

'vast majority of men are good'
Nah, I'm losing faith in this argument every day.

Over 70000 men in a group chat about sexual assaulting women. https://medium.com/illumination/this-rape-group-chat-has-70-000-male-members-but-please-tell-me-how-i-should-say-some-men-0f761d4aa018

These men are not outliers. It's difficult to come to terms with, but these are our men too.

Women like you two are the whole problem it this sort of debate 😂

No, not all men. But all women have many, or at least one tale of a random man in their lifetime that they have encountered at some point who were behaving in an inappropriate manner towards them, all of us have. I many age groups, from school age i to elderly years. Not all men can say that about women.

What a load of wanky old shit.

Thank you for your insightful perspective 😂

I don’t think it needs to be said every time a situation arises that it’s not all men. We know that, we aren’t saying it is all men. However, if we are going by personal experience then to that I say, it’s a lot of men. I could not list the number of times in my experience thus far (I’m in my fifties), that I have been:

harrassed by a strange man
assaulted by a strange man
spoken down to by a man
sexually assaulted by a man known to me
physically assaulted by a man both known and strangers
stalked by a man
made to feel uncomfortable by a man
spoken to inappropriately by a man

These were not all one off incidents. I encountered consistent harassment when I was younger, often just walking along the street on my own, in a nightclub, at work and even in my own home. All by men, lots of different men.

You don’t always need to ice a cake.

Exactly
yes the vast majority of violent and sexual crimes are committed by men
a tiny percentage of men
so it isn’t all men
do you all think your husbands and sons are “all men”?
i definitely don’t and find it really upsetting that anyone with a son thinks that about their own child, do you hate them because they are men?

Yep, all that.

The way to stop women making unflattering comments about men isn't to witter on about semantic quantifiers.

It's to stop acting like overweening, misogynistic, sexually entitled, patriarchal wankers.

Of course on the whole nobody thinks that about their own son/brother/father/husband.

But it's somebody's. And it is so prevalent (see my post about the 70000) that yes, it will be our men too.

Don’t even bother
you will be called a ‘pick me’ girl because you dare to point out simple reality of statistics
I love my 3 sons, I know they are fucking amazing
to be told that makes me an apologist is tragic
i will never apologise for choosing to believe in good men and boys, despite the fact the bad ones cause so much damage

That makes no sense
if you say ‘all men’ then you do mean your DH your DF your DS

No but like he pointed to low conviction rates for rape as a good thing 🫠
also he’s a man so he wouldn’t be a pick me.
also I have boys too, that’s why I want them to be extra aware of this than just pretending it doesn’t exist and hurting a woman by accident - which a lot of men do.
but not all men, right?
by refusing to believe we can do better, you’re expecting the best of the men in your life?

First post nails it.😆🤷‍♀️

The OP doesn't say it's "all men". It is specifically about comments that DON'T say "all men".

if people said eg majority of x would that be better ?

Yes I agree with you, the fact is lots of boys hate the ‘type’ of boys we are are talking about themselves!!

I am glad you are surrounded by men like this. Most women are sadly not. And that’s what not all men dismisses - which I think op was trying to say

So what do they do about it?

• 54% of young Australian men watch pornography weekly.
• Almost one in six Australian men has sexual feelings towards children and teenagers
• Almost one in 10 acknowledge having committed child sexual offences, despite few being caught.
• 1 in 15 men admit they would have sexual contact with a child aged 14 or younger, if no one would find out.
• Almost one third of Gen Z men agree a wife should always obey her husband
• 59% of Gen Z, 56% of Millennial, and 53% of Gen X men agree men are expected to do too much for sex equality.
• 57% of Gen Z, 54% of Millennial, and 52% of Gen X men think society is now discriminating against men
• 1 in 3 men admits to having been emotionally abusive to an intimate partner
• 1 in 10 men admits to being physically abusive to their partner
• "A high proportion of men report that they would commit a considerably violent rape if they could be assured that they would not get caught" - Psychology Professor Richard E. Mattson, who co-conducted research on the subject.
• Almost a quarter of men interviewed admitted they had committed rape

It's at minimum a pretty sizeable minority of men...and in some cases, a definite majority. So no, it's not 'all men', it's: 'a depressingly huge percentage of men, so have fun figuring out if the one you're talking to is one of the one in fifteen who'd rape a child, or one of the 50+% who thinks you should obey him if you marry, or one of the one in ten who's physically abusive'.

And sadly, as so often, it's nailed in the first post. I don't know where we go from here,

Which surely proves the point that it's not all men? And, again, it's surely down to personal experience. The men in my life have been nothing short of incredible - I likely wouldn't be here without two of them. The women? Not so much. 🤷‍♀️

That's simply not true. I can assure you I've encountered more sketchy behaviour toward me from other women than I have from men. I tend to pay more attention to people I know rather than 'randoms' I don't - and the men I actually know are amazing!

That may be your experience, but in that case you're a statistical outlier, and very unusual in having experienced more 'sketchy' behaviour from women than men.

The statistics make it undeniably clear that men are consistently far more harmful - in both minor and major regards - to women, to other men, and to children, than women are.

Or more realistically 10 Maltesers and 3 were made out of poo