Really don't like dogs being in virtually every cafe now

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I know another one, and yes this is quite trivial really.

Last week we went to a gorgeous new cafe, sat down, and within a minute I realised a large dog had appeared and was licking dds outstretched hand (she was delighted of course) then we had to get up and go and wash before eating, only to see the dog licking her hands again. Argh. Then it turned around and was wagging it's tail into me (I'm unfortunately allergic to fur and would rather not have to have fur on my clothes) - we werent even that close to the other table. It's just so annoying and I know I can ask it's owners to keep it away from us but seems a bit cruel to the dog and I jolly well shouldn't have to, they should be keeping an eye themselves without me having to have an awkward chat. Manners are meant to make everyone feel comfortable and not force people into seeming unreasonable because they don't want to get involved with the animal.

Then this afternoon, different cafe, on my own this time and got the fright of my life when all of a sudden a dog snarled and snapped at a child a few tables away, who of course screamed and was very distressed, someone could have had a heart attack!

I am going to have to be more mindful of places which don't have dogs in future I think.

And I imagine I am probably going to be told I am being unreasonable. I just want a coffee in peace without slobbering or snarling dogs

It’s the whole “spoiling it for everyone else” rule. A group wants to do something so it’s allowed but a few then push it too far so aggravate the majority who made the concession. Then it becomes unworkable so is banned again unfairly the well behaved in the group lose out but that’s life.

I'm not making it up when I say that I've been in a cafe with multiple dogs barking at each other.

I don't even hold it against the dogs, they are mostly social animals that like to see each other and cafe etiquette isn't something readily understood by an animal.

You don’t get to decide for other people!!

Allergies and phobias aside, I do wonder what people think will happen if they sit on a chair a dog's been near or eat within the vicinity of one. What terrible thing is going to occur?

A lot of very precious behaviour nowadays. 'How dare another species be anywhere near me, a high and mighty ultra important human! I might get a strand of fur on my M&S sweater and need 10 hours of counselling!

Would you be happy to sit on a chair after a person took a shit, didn’t wipe and had their bare arse on it?

No but other people’s disgusting choices do not have to be inflicted upon me and others

I'm personally not allergic or particularly germ phobic, this isn't the problem for me. That said I think people are allowed to draw their own boundaries about what they are comfortable with.

I totally get it when pubs are rural and near hiking paths - makes sense to allow dogs but yes, it’s a bit odd when restaurants seem to allow it too. We were at a cafe last week and the dog at the table next to us was cute but it was on quite a long leash and kept coming under our table to sniff everything out. The dog owner seemed to think this was very cute and kept giving us sympathetic smiles as though she had no control over this, but actually, we kinda just wanted to have a coffee and a chat and not have a dog sniffing us out. If a cafe is ‘dog friendly’, there should be an area designated just for owners and dogs.

Draw your boundaries and stay away from places that don’t align with your standards. Or start a petition, talk to business owners, write to your local mp.Get a local facebook group started, draw up a list of dog free places to share. Just stop expecting people who don’t care about the same things to solve your problems for you.

@AuntMatilda

this. I don’t want shit on my clothes. End of

That was uncalled for. They don’t know you from Adam. I can guarantee they wouldn’t dare insult a 20 stone man like that in a similar scenario either.

It says a lot about the dog owners in question and it’s the same problem with others too: ill-mannered and entitled. It also says a lot about the “hang-ups” for want of a better term of some of these owners that they get so bent out of shape when someone doesn’t want to interact with their dog. Bizarre,

But dog owners allowing dogs to disturb others are causing the problems.

I don’t need dog-free spaces - I’m not allergic or dog-phobic and have zero issues with dogs who stay quietly with their owners.

I just want some owners to show a bit more consideration - keep their dog under control so it doesn’t wander up to other people and remove the dog if it barks and can’t be quietened. I don’t think that’s particularly unreasonable in a shared space.

Well if you don’t want dog free places and I also expect everyone and everything in public space to behave in a way that doesn’t impact others we want the same thing.

There’s a key word appearing in at least 2 posts above: boundaries! That’s something too many dog owners don’t seem to grasp. @crunchycrunchers example is the sort of thing I’ve seen happen many times. Dog is on a long lead, owner allowing it to walk up to another table, getting under it and sniffing around. Owner could clearly see what was going on but did nothing to rectify it. That is unacceptable and rude. It’s disrupting other people. When you’re in crunchycrunchers’ position on that occasion, you then have to keep an eye on what the dog is doing because you know Hell will break loose if you were to stamp on it/kick it, which would be very easy to do.

This is annoying on Air bnb but there is a hack that lets you do it.

Once you're logged on go to Accommodation Type, there's a filter button there. Filter on Amenities and go to the section on Preferences.

One you're there click right on the button that says Not Pet Friendly.

Just click on goady fucker and there it is. Accommodation ideal for you.

That last sentence is an incredibly odd way of looking at anti-social behaviour, which is what we are talking about. Complaining about anti-social behaviour/ expecting it not to happen, is ‘expecting people who don’t care about the same things to solve your problems for you’? I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anything so completely misaligned with my values.

If you "know perfectly well how to avoid them" what the dickens are you moaning about?

Lots of really positive feedback and information about how friendly and welcoming Cornwall and the south west in general are to dogs.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3k3pz3p9do

Nonsensical comparison.

A dog is not a piece of excrement. Much excrement carries several components that can result in illness. Rabies aside (which I am assuming most family pets that are likely to be in a cafe/pub etc do not carry, please correct me if I am wrong) it is EXTREMELY unlikely that I would become ill from my body coming into contact with a chair that a dog has been near.

As an aside, there are microbes in existence that you can catch from a human rectum, that can seep through clothes, are contagious and can cause ghastly disease.

Perhaps stay out of public seating of any sort, if you are worried about 'shit' on it. Who knows what diseases the previous occupant of said seat had.

From another angle, dogs exist, in society. And there is evidence that humans would have not been able to advance without them. On a lighter note a lot of people rely on them for companionship, safety and overall health. I have literally never seen a human (shitty arsed or otherwise) sitting naked on a chair in a cafe and I cannot see how that would be beneficial for society or any individual.

No one acting in a way that the business owners deem to be acceptable on their premises is causing issues. Those who believe they get to dictate what the business owners should and should not allow on their own private premises are being incredibly entitled.

If business owners want to accept screaming children or barking dogs, that is entirely up to them. If you don't want to give your custom to those places, that is entirely up to you. If enough people agree with you, I imagine the business owners will change their policy.

What you don't get to do is dictate how private businesses are run.

As many people have said on here, the problems are being caused by irresponsible owners.

When I first moved into my home more than 40 yrs ago, I rarely had problems with dogs encroaching on the property. Now I have even had to clean dog excrement off my hedging. It looked like the damned thing had backed into the hedge and it keeps going back to the same spot to leave a pile of excrement at the same boundary corner.

I keep watering the area with citrus Zoflora in an attempt to discourage canine crappers.

The only time I have had 'shit' on my clothes due to a dog, was when my own dog rolled in something and I had to bathe her. They don't tend to have 'shit' on them. How do you know the human sat on the seat before you had washed their hands or didn't have 'shit' on them from changing a nappy/not changing their clothes for weeks etc?

FWIW, any mammal that has ' shit' on it, is ill and unable to clean themselves-unless as I implied above, they've just rolled in something or have encountered 'shit' from another scenario out of their control.

The only time I have had 'shit' on my clothes due to a dog, was when my own dog rolled in something and I had to bathe her. They don't tend to have 'shit' on them. How do you know the human sat on the seat before you had washed their hands or didn't have 'shit' on them from changing a nappy/not changing their clothes for weeks/never washing their hands etc?

FWIW, any mammal that has ' shit' on it, is ill and unable to clean themselves-unless as I implied above, they've just rolled in something or have encountered 'shit' from another scenario out of their control.

Nobody said that a dog was a piece of excrement. But it is factual that they shit several times a day, have bare bottoms and no facility for wiping their arse. It’s therefore seriously gross for people to allow their dogs to sit on shared furniture. If you want poo particles and E. coli over your own house then that’s your look out but it is selfish and disgusting to spread it around communal spaces.

Dogs don't have buttocks, unlike humans, and don't generally soil themselves while shitting unless they are ill.

Because dog owners are always coming down with E. coli. It's absolutely rife. It's a wonder any of us survive, honestly.

I slept with four dogs in my bed last night as they all decided DD was unreasonable for abandoning them to make a midnight snack. I've updated my will this morning, naturally. I expect death will be imminent.