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The Iranians see the strikes as a liberation, in the same way that France was liberated from the Nazis in WWII

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Endoflight · 09/03/2026 20:55

So please do not be against the war in the name of any Iranian.

The Islamic regime purposefully shot girls in the face, chests and vaginas to destroy their beauty. This was a regime of terrorists.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/feb/17/x-rays-injuries-iran-protesters-hospital-birdshot-bullets

This is a regime that has massacred 30000 of its OWN people since January.

Body bags have lined the streets for months.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead

The strikes are targeted and destroying the regimes military bases. Iranians are celebrating and feeling support for the first time in years.

We might not want to get involved in War in the U.K., but to not understand how this is a liberation is jarring to all Iranians who do not have sympathy for the terrorist regime, so please do not speak for them

‘Deliberate targeting of vital body parts’: X-rays taken after Iran protests expose extent of catastrophic injuries

Exclusive: Expert analysis of images from one hospital suggests severe trauma to the face, chest and genitals was caused by metal birdshot and high-calibre bullets

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/feb/17/x-rays-injuries-iran-protesters-hospital-birdshot-bullets

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Mischance · 10/03/2026 13:13

The Iranian regime is appalling - that goes without saying. They are evil religious nutters.

The crucial question here is .... will things be any better for ordinary peace-loving decent Iranian men and women as a result of this military action?

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 13:27

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 13:13

It’s very hard if the regime has the ability to kill thousands when people try, mutilate or imprison. As the op says.

Well yes, regime is never easy EasternStandard. Unfortunately there is no way out that isn't 'hard'. As the gruesome twosome have found out you can't just kill the head and everyone happily holds hands and moves on whilst thanking their foreign saviours.

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 13:37

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 13:27

Well yes, regime is never easy EasternStandard. Unfortunately there is no way out that isn't 'hard'. As the gruesome twosome have found out you can't just kill the head and everyone happily holds hands and moves on whilst thanking their foreign saviours.

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Well yes back to you FloralDeerPattern. I’m here for the op and think her views count for more. If your take is people should just ‘rise up’ it’s easy to type on mn but not much more.

ComradeAmoeba · 10/03/2026 13:53

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 13:37

Well yes back to you FloralDeerPattern. I’m here for the op and think her views count for more. If your take is people should just ‘rise up’ it’s easy to type on mn but not much more.

What do you think should happen, EasternStandard? As I posted earlier, Trump has said the people of Iran will get no help from him. So what now?

The only hope I can see is the regime is weakened enough that the people can overthrow it.

Solost92 · 10/03/2026 13:59

Endoflight · 09/03/2026 22:35

I do not believe Trump is starting this war for selfless reasons, ofcourse not, but it does not matter; the Iranians have fought with their blood, against a regime who patrols the streets with guns ready to shoot civilians in the back; ready to aim at their eyes. The Iranians are unarmed. This is the largest massacre in recent history and there has been barely a whisper about it on Mumsnet or social media. 30000 have died fighting the regime. Yet when war was announced by the US, suddenly it seems people are interested and speaking of the ‘thousands that will die’ due to America.

The fact is that Iranians see the US and Israel as liberating them. If the U.K. does not want to get involved then I respect that, but please do not speak for the Iranian people and talk only of ‘massacres’ by the US but nothing about the Islamic regime killing 30000 of their OWN people.

Iran needed the help of the US and Israel to kill the mullahs and to destroy their military bases. The US and Israel’s strikes are debilitating the regime and for the first time in 47 years millions of Iranians have hope.

There is a leader who is ready and has the backing of Iranians both inside and outside Iran, his name is Reza Pahlavi, he will create a secular government, one far removed from the Islamic regime. Iran has the chance of being a democratic country, one that Iranians have fought for for decades.

I have been on Mumsnet a long time, I have been on threads with women lying next to their abuser trying to get out in the middle of the night and the support women have offered sent shivers down my spine, I’ve seen women help women get out of a situation when they have absolutely nooone to turn to and have been beaten and burned. This is what the women of Iran are going through so can we change the narrative from fixating on ‘an illegal war’ to focussing on their liberation from a totalitarian regime.

I dont dispute any of that concerning the Iranian perspective. But the belief that their country will be left in any fit state after America is done with it is a dream. And a silly one at that. America is not trying to liberate Iran. They are trying to demolish it. They have said just that. Their president has said any Iranian that expects to survive is foolish, they intend to kill them all and steal the oil. They immediately bombed a girls school. They've made their intentions clear.

Trump is bombing them for 3 reasons. 1. Steal the oil. 2. Distract from the mounting evidence that he's a serial child rapist and murderer and his government knows and is complicit in covering it up. 3. Prevent an election that could kick him out of office.

He has chosen Iran becuase of Israels support. I don't think there's another country he could've chosen and received the same level of support.

Even if it was purely to liberate Iran. Britain needs to keep out of it and focus on itself instead of supporting America in trying to rule the whole world.

ComradeAmoeba · 10/03/2026 14:04

FOJN · 10/03/2026 13:11

Well someone didn't want other posters to know that it wasn't Iran who bombed a girls school. Claiming to care about the people of Iran whilst suppressing information about war crimes is pretty disgusting.

Wtf? Why did mnhq delete your post? All the analysis is pointing towards the US. From the Guardian, which I assume is an acceptable source?

"A video released by the Iranian news agency Mehr and geolocated to the site by the investigative collective Bellingcat, combined with other evidence from the site, indicate that the elementary school in Minab was hit during a set of strikes by the US, as it targeted an adjacent Islamic Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) naval compound. Munitions experts have told the Guardian that the missile shown in the video is clearly a Tomahawk, which is only used by the US in the current conflict.

Pressed by a reporter on why he had suggested Iran was responsible – a claim no one else in his administration had made – Trump replied: “Because I just don’t know enough about it.”

The strike demolished approximately half the school, killing dozens of seven- to 12-year-old girls as they attended morning classes.

Trump on Monday said he was “willing to live” with “whatever” the investigation concludes."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/09/trump-iran-war-oil

Trump claims Iran or ‘somebody else’ could have carried out deadly school strike

President makes evidence-free claim despite video showing US Tomahawk missile hit naval base next to school

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/09/trump-iran-war-oil

HappyFace2025 · 10/03/2026 14:12

HopefulYankee · 09/03/2026 21:47

America should stop being the world’s policeman and focus on itself for once. Iran is a country of 92 million. I’m sure they don’t need us to solve all their problems. They can do it on their own.

They haven't had the opportunity to do for for 47 years.

Endoflight · 10/03/2026 14:34

@FOJN I don’t know who you are referring to, if you are insinuating it was me who reported this post? I did not. I don’t even know what post it is

Those who deny the Iranians welcome this support, I don’t know what agenda you have. I am writing this as a woman who loves her mums home country, who wants to see the people free. And who has lived in that hope her entire lifetime.

I’m seeing my mums country bombed and the desperation that has led to Iranians welcoming that is an Islamic regime of terror for 47 years.

My family in Iran say they would rather be dead then live under the Islamic regime any longer. There is no place lower to go. That is why we support the US and Israel strikes. Because we have tried and failed with our blood. 30000 innocent lives. The Iranians can’t do this alone, if the help comes in the way of two leaders who don’t give a damn about them well then that’s all there is. It’s the only chance we have.

There is nothing else.

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FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 14:37

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 13:37

Well yes back to you FloralDeerPattern. I’m here for the op and think her views count for more. If your take is people should just ‘rise up’ it’s easy to type on mn but not much more.

It's not 'just' rise up EasternStandard but if Iranians are going to have to go through tough times to get a regime change then tough times to get a regime change that is sustainable and long-lasting is surely more preferable. There is no doubt that regime changes done from within are more successful than regime changes done by clowns using Iran for their own purposes.

You are very fond of asking questions and then when you actually get an answer you dismiss it as the OPs 'voice counts more'? What does that even mean? You believe that foreign intervention is more successful than regime change done by internal forces?

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 14:51

Endoflight · 10/03/2026 14:34

@FOJN I don’t know who you are referring to, if you are insinuating it was me who reported this post? I did not. I don’t even know what post it is

Those who deny the Iranians welcome this support, I don’t know what agenda you have. I am writing this as a woman who loves her mums home country, who wants to see the people free. And who has lived in that hope her entire lifetime.

I’m seeing my mums country bombed and the desperation that has led to Iranians welcoming that is an Islamic regime of terror for 47 years.

My family in Iran say they would rather be dead then live under the Islamic regime any longer. There is no place lower to go. That is why we support the US and Israel strikes. Because we have tried and failed with our blood. 30000 innocent lives. The Iranians can’t do this alone, if the help comes in the way of two leaders who don’t give a damn about them well then that’s all there is. It’s the only chance we have.

There is nothing else.

@FloralDeerPatternthis reply from @Endoflightsays it better. Worth reading this post.

maudelovesharold · 10/03/2026 14:57

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 09/03/2026 22:15

This thread isn’t about Trump, it's about the people of Iran who are happy about the situation in light of the decades they have suffered.

The trouble is I fear their happiness is misplaced. If they (or you) think this war is the start of their liberation, just consider what happened in Afghanistan, and the horrors that women and girls are now enduring there. Trump will leave Iranians high and dry, once he’s squeezed what benefits he can out of the situation. Surely you understand that he is motivated only by his base desires? He has a limited intellect and severely compromised world view, which means that he can’t see beyond the middle of next week, let alone contemplate how a better future might be forged for the people of Iran, or any other people chained to the yoke of their oppressors.

ComradeAmoeba · 10/03/2026 14:58

Endoflight · 10/03/2026 14:34

@FOJN I don’t know who you are referring to, if you are insinuating it was me who reported this post? I did not. I don’t even know what post it is

Those who deny the Iranians welcome this support, I don’t know what agenda you have. I am writing this as a woman who loves her mums home country, who wants to see the people free. And who has lived in that hope her entire lifetime.

I’m seeing my mums country bombed and the desperation that has led to Iranians welcoming that is an Islamic regime of terror for 47 years.

My family in Iran say they would rather be dead then live under the Islamic regime any longer. There is no place lower to go. That is why we support the US and Israel strikes. Because we have tried and failed with our blood. 30000 innocent lives. The Iranians can’t do this alone, if the help comes in the way of two leaders who don’t give a damn about them well then that’s all there is. It’s the only chance we have.

There is nothing else.

@Endoflight I just wondered what help is hoped for other than the strikes that are happening now? Do people feel this will be enough to weaken the regime? Or do they hope for boots on the ground type of help?

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:01

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 14:51

@FloralDeerPatternthis reply from @Endoflightsays it better. Worth reading this post.

That doesn't answer my question to you, do you believe that foreign intervention is more successful than regime change done by internal forces?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/03/2026 15:04

Solost92 · 10/03/2026 13:59

I dont dispute any of that concerning the Iranian perspective. But the belief that their country will be left in any fit state after America is done with it is a dream. And a silly one at that. America is not trying to liberate Iran. They are trying to demolish it. They have said just that. Their president has said any Iranian that expects to survive is foolish, they intend to kill them all and steal the oil. They immediately bombed a girls school. They've made their intentions clear.

Trump is bombing them for 3 reasons. 1. Steal the oil. 2. Distract from the mounting evidence that he's a serial child rapist and murderer and his government knows and is complicit in covering it up. 3. Prevent an election that could kick him out of office.

He has chosen Iran becuase of Israels support. I don't think there's another country he could've chosen and received the same level of support.

Even if it was purely to liberate Iran. Britain needs to keep out of it and focus on itself instead of supporting America in trying to rule the whole world.

Can someone please explain how he will 'steal the oil'?

There were similar statements about Venezuela. Was the oil there stolen? How?

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 15:05

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:01

That doesn't answer my question to you, do you believe that foreign intervention is more successful than regime change done by internal forces?

Yes it does. The op is telling you it can’t be done as you want it to. They cannot succeed internally alone, she says this plainly. Just read her posts she’s answering your questions.

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:10

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 15:05

Yes it does. The op is telling you it can’t be done as you want it to. They cannot succeed internally alone, she says this plainly. Just read her posts she’s answering your questions.

The OP is one person with Iranian heritage who doesn't live in Iran. Do you honestly believe that the OP is speaking for all 90million people who live in a country 1000s of km from her as she claims to be?

So because the OP who doesn't live in Iran says it can't be done you decree that it can't be done, end of story we should support the US and Israels bombing campaign which history shows us has a very slim chance of success?

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 15:13

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:10

The OP is one person with Iranian heritage who doesn't live in Iran. Do you honestly believe that the OP is speaking for all 90million people who live in a country 1000s of km from her as she claims to be?

So because the OP who doesn't live in Iran says it can't be done you decree that it can't be done, end of story we should support the US and Israels bombing campaign which history shows us has a very slim chance of success?

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She’s the op of the thread telling you how she feels. Ik you keep skipping past her views but that’s more your reaction than anything.

Anyway she can articulate well, so I’ll let her post and keep reading.

HappyFace2025 · 10/03/2026 15:17

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:10

The OP is one person with Iranian heritage who doesn't live in Iran. Do you honestly believe that the OP is speaking for all 90million people who live in a country 1000s of km from her as she claims to be?

So because the OP who doesn't live in Iran says it can't be done you decree that it can't be done, end of story we should support the US and Israels bombing campaign which history shows us has a very slim chance of success?

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OP speaks for the people of Iran with more authority than you do, unless you live in Iran yourself.

catipuss · 10/03/2026 15:18

Endoflight · 09/03/2026 22:35

I do not believe Trump is starting this war for selfless reasons, ofcourse not, but it does not matter; the Iranians have fought with their blood, against a regime who patrols the streets with guns ready to shoot civilians in the back; ready to aim at their eyes. The Iranians are unarmed. This is the largest massacre in recent history and there has been barely a whisper about it on Mumsnet or social media. 30000 have died fighting the regime. Yet when war was announced by the US, suddenly it seems people are interested and speaking of the ‘thousands that will die’ due to America.

The fact is that Iranians see the US and Israel as liberating them. If the U.K. does not want to get involved then I respect that, but please do not speak for the Iranian people and talk only of ‘massacres’ by the US but nothing about the Islamic regime killing 30000 of their OWN people.

Iran needed the help of the US and Israel to kill the mullahs and to destroy their military bases. The US and Israel’s strikes are debilitating the regime and for the first time in 47 years millions of Iranians have hope.

There is a leader who is ready and has the backing of Iranians both inside and outside Iran, his name is Reza Pahlavi, he will create a secular government, one far removed from the Islamic regime. Iran has the chance of being a democratic country, one that Iranians have fought for for decades.

I have been on Mumsnet a long time, I have been on threads with women lying next to their abuser trying to get out in the middle of the night and the support women have offered sent shivers down my spine, I’ve seen women help women get out of a situation when they have absolutely nooone to turn to and have been beaten and burned. This is what the women of Iran are going through so can we change the narrative from fixating on ‘an illegal war’ to focussing on their liberation from a totalitarian regime.

What will follow though presumably it will be another Islamist regime, perhaps hard line perhaps moderate, I would hope women will be better off. What regime are you expecting after the war assuming the present regime doesn't survive.

Sartre · 10/03/2026 15:19

They really, really don’t.

The supreme leader has been replaced by his son, who is cut very much from the same cloth. The Americans haven’t gone in with any sort of plan to actually rescue and liberate the Iranian people, they didn’t even plan for oil shortages. Oh and they blew up hundreds of innocent children, which they’re denying. Some liberation.

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:21

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 15:13

She’s the op of the thread telling you how she feels. Ik you keep skipping past her views but that’s more your reaction than anything.

Anyway she can articulate well, so I’ll let her post and keep reading.

I'm not 'skipping past her views' but the OPs views are just that, her views. You have decided that the only way forward for Iran is to be bombed by Israel and the US because you read the views of 1 anonymous person who says they have Iranian heritage, I mean if that's how you form your views great.

I'm sure you can understand that other people choose other methods like learning from history, listening to experts, listening to a wide variety of Iranian voices, listening to the main actors in this who say that this is not a regime change war and that there is no clear alternative to Irans current regime etc

EasternStandard · 10/03/2026 15:26

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:21

I'm not 'skipping past her views' but the OPs views are just that, her views. You have decided that the only way forward for Iran is to be bombed by Israel and the US because you read the views of 1 anonymous person who says they have Iranian heritage, I mean if that's how you form your views great.

I'm sure you can understand that other people choose other methods like learning from history, listening to experts, listening to a wide variety of Iranian voices, listening to the main actors in this who say that this is not a regime change war and that there is no clear alternative to Irans current regime etc

I’ve said they can’t do it internally, they haven’t for 47 years. The regime is too strong and brutal. Pretty much what the op says.

If you’re unsure on that look at what they do to protestors.

FOJN · 10/03/2026 15:27

Endoflight
I was referring to someone just as my post says. How would I know who reported it?

The evidence points at the Americans bombing the school, not once but twice in a "double tap" attack. You claimed it was the Iranians, I just corrected the record.

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:27

HappyFace2025 · 10/03/2026 15:17

OP speaks for the people of Iran with more authority than you do, unless you live in Iran yourself.

The difference being I'm not claiming to speak for all of the people of Iran like the OP has. I don't believe any one person can speak for 90million people and I certainly won't base my views on this war off an anonymous post from someone in the UK who claims to be able to speak for 90million people 1000s of kms from her.

HappyFace2025 · 10/03/2026 15:28

FloralDeerPattern · 10/03/2026 15:27

The difference being I'm not claiming to speak for all of the people of Iran like the OP has. I don't believe any one person can speak for 90million people and I certainly won't base my views on this war off an anonymous post from someone in the UK who claims to be able to speak for 90million people 1000s of kms from her.

Then why don't you stop posting on her thread? You've made your point.

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