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To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

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CraftyTaupeBee · 06/03/2026 18:37

Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

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HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:22

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:19

Then lobby the parties concerned to stop being so disgustingly misogynistic, so we can vote for them. It’s not our job to sacrifice our interests and vote for a party that wants to screw us over. It’s their job to put together a decent raft of policies that appears to voters.

Are you asking me to spend my.energy on an issue I dont care about so white people will care about racial equality as a thank you?

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:22

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:16

I think that you will.vote for parties who agree with you on trans issues and/or won't vote for parties that believe trans women are women, even if they have an ethos and policies that promote racial equality. These voting actions will help ensure that a racist party has the best opportunity of success.

Then that’s you projecting. You know nothing about me to base that assumption on, it must just be coming from within you. A you thing.

If you’re wise, you’ll stop doing that. Assuming that everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with you is out to get you is paranoia, and will make you ill.

As it happens, I spoiled my ballot the last couple of times, as no party was fit to vote for.

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:23

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:22

Then that’s you projecting. You know nothing about me to base that assumption on, it must just be coming from within you. A you thing.

If you’re wise, you’ll stop doing that. Assuming that everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with you is out to get you is paranoia, and will make you ill.

As it happens, I spoiled my ballot the last couple of times, as no party was fit to vote for.

Which is exactly what I did. I couldn't bear to not make my mark, so to speak so I spoilt my paper.

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:23

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:22

Then that’s you projecting. You know nothing about me to base that assumption on, it must just be coming from within you. A you thing.

If you’re wise, you’ll stop doing that. Assuming that everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with you is out to get you is paranoia, and will make you ill.

As it happens, I spoiled my ballot the last couple of times, as no party was fit to vote for.

People have already said that on this thread. They won't vote for a party who thinks trans women are women irrespective of their other stances. That tells me enough.

Are you saying that isnt true of you and you would?

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:26

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:22

Are you asking me to spend my.energy on an issue I dont care about so white people will care about racial equality as a thank you?

You miss my point.

The point is, if you want people to vote a certain way, and they won’t because of particular policies, then rather than hector them to vote against their interests, your best bet is to lobby the parties you like to set more appealing policies, so the vote goes your way.

You’re the one saying you’re terrified about a Reform government. I’m suggesting ways you can contribute to avoiding this. It’s up to you whether you can be arsed with that or not.

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:28

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:21

Why?

The answer is no. I don't. But I also dont care that many people think they are as I am.more concerned about the other issues I spoke about and affect me and people who look like me more directly and frequently.

For that reason, a political party's stance on trans issues is irrelevant to me. I dont even check it out

.

I'm going to be harsh here. Don't cry to me when it does affect you. I would quote Marin Niemoller.

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:28

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:23

People have already said that on this thread. They won't vote for a party who thinks trans women are women irrespective of their other stances. That tells me enough.

Are you saying that isnt true of you and you would?

I’ve already told you I spoiled my ballot rather than vote for a party that thinks I’m a second class citizen whose rights can just be taken away.

I won’t ever vote for any party that thinks a man can be a woman. Fuck me, I wasn’t born yesterday and I’m not that much of a mug.

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:29

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:26

You miss my point.

The point is, if you want people to vote a certain way, and they won’t because of particular policies, then rather than hector them to vote against their interests, your best bet is to lobby the parties you like to set more appealing policies, so the vote goes your way.

You’re the one saying you’re terrified about a Reform government. I’m suggesting ways you can contribute to avoiding this. It’s up to you whether you can be arsed with that or not.

I'm not only terrified of a reform government by any means.

From my perspective its like you're saying that I should lobby political parties to care about the issues you find important so you might decide to care about the issues that threaten me and mine. That doesn't sound like a productive use of my time

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:30

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:28

I’ve already told you I spoiled my ballot rather than vote for a party that thinks I’m a second class citizen whose rights can just be taken away.

I won’t ever vote for any party that thinks a man can be a woman. Fuck me, I wasn’t born yesterday and I’m not that much of a mug.

Right, which means if there was only one party who appropriately addressed racial equality but they also believed trans women are women, you wouldn't vote for them. You'd aid another party who doesnt prioritise racial equality instead. That is what makes you scary.

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:31

I would spoil my vote, again. I really don't think you get the whole argument, do you?

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:31

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:28

I'm going to be harsh here. Don't cry to me when it does affect you. I would quote Marin Niemoller.

Why would I ever cry to you or anyone like you? When has that ever served people like me?

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:32

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:30

Right, which means if there was only one party who appropriately addressed racial equality but they also believed trans women are women, you wouldn't vote for them. You'd aid another party who doesnt prioritise racial equality instead. That is what makes you scary.

I wouldn't be aiding the party you don't like, I just wouldn't be aiding the parties you do like.

I find it just as scary that you'll throw women under the bus tbh.

Why do you think the left and centrist parties are so anti women?

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:33

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:31

I would spoil my vote, again. I really don't think you get the whole argument, do you?

Do you understand that not voting can mean that you inadvertently support a party coming to power?

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:34

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:32

I wouldn't be aiding the party you don't like, I just wouldn't be aiding the parties you do like.

I find it just as scary that you'll throw women under the bus tbh.

Why do you think the left and centrist parties are so anti women?

Same goes to you. By not aiding the party that supports my existence in this country, you are potentially aiding the party who does not.

Lobesloope · 11/03/2026 17:34

The greens harboured the challenors and i get the impression they would allow it all over again tomorrow.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/03/2026 17:35

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:11

I am really not. Considering I have people.here claiming systemic racism isnt a real thing here (any more?), I feel like I am identifying threats accurately.

I have not said that.

which ‘people here’ here are you talking about?

I am no risk to you, it’s not my fault that the greens are unelectable to me because of their stance on women. Thats 100% on them.

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:35

AloeTom · 11/03/2026 16:15

Ludicrous that with all that has happened the last few years, how much the planet is burning, the shit happening to women and others in the USA and how utterly dire things are across the world that Reform actually thinks transgender people in UK (who make up a tiny percentage of the population)are the priority.

Avoid, avoid, avoid!

Did you meant to write Green Party? Presumably you were talking about how ludicrous it is that with all that going on - and decades after women fought for and obtained equal rights (theoretically, even if not de facto) - that the Greens think it's a priority to get dick into women's changing rooms?

I couldn't agree more.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/03/2026 17:36

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:22

Are you asking me to spend my.energy on an issue I dont care about so white people will care about racial equality as a thank you?

I think this is the problem. You are an ally. Your use of cis was a give away

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:36

Hoardasurass · 11/03/2026 15:37

Well if you're going to listen to AI over the ONS and MOJ official statistics then theres no helping you.
Oh BTW if we were just taking the no of men with trans identities in prison and directly transferring it to all men who identify as women that would actually be 70-80% sex offenders rate.
What was done was to look at a population level as how many per million and is the excepted manor of looking at these statistics otherwise we would have no statistics on female sex offenders as there are so few (3 per million with some men included in that number because they are recorded as women due to a grc).

I missed this, it breaks down those very statistics.

loislovesstewie · 11/03/2026 17:37

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:31

Why would I ever cry to you or anyone like you? When has that ever served people like me?

Because when you discover that voting for a party that thinks women can have a penis and you finally get why we are so up in arms about it, you might then also understand that it does affect you. But you carry on thinking that it won't make any difference to you, because the party you vote for is going to be so concerned about race that it won't hesitate to shaft you along with all women. Sometimes people find out the hard way. And the phrase 'crying to me' is a common one to mean don't expect sympathy when you are proved wrong.
I'm all out of sympathy for women who are OK with shoving women as a class under the bus.

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:38

Forthesteps · 11/03/2026 16:20

Trans people are about 0.5 percent of the population. Cis men are about 50 pc. I know what's more of a threat to women by an order of magnitude.
Reform shill I'm guessing. People seem keen to vote for the very worst party just to block trans rights.
Ignorant and dangerous.

Trans women are men, and are at least as dangerous as what you call 'cis' men. That's the issue. So we don't want them in women's single sex spaces, that were created in the first place for safety and dignity reasons.

Women and girls should not be made less safe to make some men feel less sad.

Not sure why it's hard to grasp....

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:39

Hoardasurass · 11/03/2026 16:13

So you dont believe all the reports that say there's no systemic racism in the UK?

^^
@lifeturnsonadime

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:40

lifeturnsonadime · 11/03/2026 17:36

I think this is the problem. You are an ally. Your use of cis was a give away

My use of cis was to garner of a critique of trans vs non-trabs populations. Omitting the word cis garnered nearly identical results.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/03/2026 17:41

HappyClapper100 · 11/03/2026 17:40

My use of cis was to garner of a critique of trans vs non-trabs populations. Omitting the word cis garnered nearly identical results.

It’s men however they identify that are the issue. Cis is an ideological term. It’s not used by non believers.

BunfightBetty · 11/03/2026 17:44

lifeturnsonadime · 11/03/2026 16:36

And people in the US haven't learnt a jot from the Harris/ Trump election have they.

No flipping introspection.

Ignoring women on this pushes votes to the right.

The left needs to sort this out rather than blaming women for the rise of the right wing parties.

So fucking predictable that women are ALWAYS to blame and are expected to self sacrifice because men won't do the right thing by us.

Absolutely, 100%

Stop victim blaming.