Can't stand this attitude re prison attacks

[BySnappyUmberFish]

After the murder of Ian Watkins and the assault and (very possible) death of Ian Huntley, social media and news articles have been flooded with comments such as 'Give that man a medal!!' 'Not all heroes wear capes!!'.
These people seem to forget that the killers are in prison for as equally heinous and despicable crimes as the aforementioned two. They have also most probably not attacked them over what they did, but over debts, drugs or just to gain some notoriety.

I am fed up of hearing comments like this.

Performative posting. Again.

people have to work in that environment and then go home to their families if they are lucky. But yeah, as you said, you ‘don’t care’

Me too. I feel really sorry for the families who've lived with the crimes of these people every single day. They're the ones who have to face judgmental public in their everyday lives. Their lives have been hell too.

People over the years have imagined “prison justice” to be prisoners who have committed less serious crimes hurting child predators or rapists/killers.
What people don’t seem to be able to grasp on this particular issue is the reality. The times that notorious predators are harmed, Watkins/Huntley for example, isn't because of their victims, it’s because other predators want notoriety. Or just don’t like the person they’re attacking. Prisoner stories about prisoners shanking or killing one another is rarely a revenge attack for the victim. The man who murdered Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t avenging his victims, he was just sick of him being a bellend during mealtimes.
The horrific murder of Richard Huckle, whilst a disgusting creature wasn’t to kill him for his crimes, it was for clout.
Most of the time nowadays nonces are protected as vulnerable prisoners and end up on wings with other nonces so they just make contacts. That was my experience when working with vulnerable victims, their abusers would have other inmates call them up.
Am I bothered that a violent child rapist or killer gets harmed or murdered in prison? I can’t say that Im losing any sleep, no, but do I think some hero has done it? No, it’s another cunt who probably also deserves a good beating.
I detest anyone who has harmed a child and think prison sentences in the UK are the most pathetic and inhumane to victim sentences. How many times do we let potential reoffenders out to go on to harm more innocent children? Too many. But to think that someone who is in prison for similar crimes is the hero in the situation is fucked up. It really seems beyond people to recognise two wrongs don’t make a right. I think when people think about someone like Watkins getting offed they imagine a nice fella who just got in with the wrong crowd and sold weed to teenagers or didn't pay his council tax are committing this heroic act, not it’s another rapists with a history of violent crime hence why they’re in prison in monster mansion for a start.

There is a child killer in female prison Styal who is loving life inside. People know her and are frightened of her so she is treated well and is popular, once you're in prison you aren’t shunned for your crimes if your face fits. The system is broken.

This is pretty much how I feel.

Prisons are far from safe.
They are full of violent men.

People tend not to care too much about violent men who rape and murder children for obvious reasons.

Hand-wringing about how some people react to the death of a paedophile killer and a grown man who gave children cocaine, sexually assaulted them and tried to rape a baby...

Nobody is ‘hand wringing’

While I really couldn’t care about Huntley, let’s not pretend the piece of scum that has killed him(ok he’s not actually dead , but they have turned off his life support) is somehow a hero and worthy of praise, he raped and strangled a pregnant woman and killed two other people , so effectively killed four people , none of them deserve to be alive, but that’s a debate that won’t happen

I think the man issue here is the security in our prisons. Yes a horrible individual has died but the person who did this was also horrible.

As a prison worker , I’m concerned for the safety of my colleagues. We can’t have people murdering eachother and think thats acceptable.

BBC has just stated Huntley has died

Huntley now dead and the crappy bloke who killed him will be charged with murder.

It isn’t just prison officers. My MIL used to teach in a prison and was at one point held hostage during a prison riot. That happened back in the 1980s, long before I knew her, my DH has told me how much it traumatised her.

I now understand that there was a teacher in the room when the attack happened, it made me think of her.

If you read what I wrote, you’d have understood I said to lock them in the most secure building, REMOVE all guards and let them entertain themselves however they wish.

If I wanted to ‘perform’ it wouldn’t be for you.

Wouldn’t have come out anyway so won’t make much difference really

Sometimes, in very darkly misanthropic moments, I do think it'd be tempting to just put all the worst of the worst on an island with air-dropped supplies, and stream the goings-on as a subscriptions service (with additional betting), and all the proceeds going to crime prevention and victim services.

But that would be pretty fucked up, so on balance, probably best not to.

You are absolutely right.
It's frightening to think of internal prison security being so lax that inmates can be attacked or murdered.
It also puts staff at risk.

I shed no tears for the prisoners mentioned but am sickened by those who think it's fine to encourage this type of assault and salivate at the thought of who is next.

Imagine how utterly distressing for the prison staff, paramedics, police, hospital staff etc to see someone with his head split in two - imagine the sight of all that blood, the noise and chaos.

I don't care that Wayne Couzens might be trembling in his cell but I do care for the staff who have to manage these very violent men. Prisons are overcrowded and understaffed - it must be depressing and very challenging to work in such a place.

He's dead.
Good riddance 👏

Let's hope Couzens is next

My stance would be tested to the limit with him.

I think if you put yourself if the shoes of the victims families then you might realise that for them it is a closure. I can’t imagine knowing the person who brutally murdered my child still existing in the world. I would never say ‘give that man a medal’ but I can totally understand the sense of happiness that the world has one less awful person in it. It’s also nice to know that my taxes aren’t putting food on his plate any more.

I completely agree OP and said as much on another thread. The crimes of Watkins and Huntley were absolutely appalling, no one is arguing that. But what these people who think the ones that killed them deserve "drinks" and "medals" is that there are victims and families impacted by their crimes and its absolute insult to them to be thinking their killers deserve "medals"

Prison violence benefits no one. It puts the very people tasked with keeping prisons safe and these people locked up at risk. The last thing we want is for these monsters to be breaking free and roaming the streets.

Absolutely. This man deserved to die after what he did to those poor girls - and the suffering he put their families through.

Agree. People see to forget the people they're lording as heroes are also rapists and murderers. Imagine if your loved one had been a victim of one of them and people are calling them a hero?

In a civilised society people ne ed to be safe in prison. We don't have capital punishment in this country.

It's very basic, if you don't want the increased safety risk of living with dangerous murderers and rapists, don't go and murder two little girls in cold blood.

One of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read on here. Total fantasy.