Can't stand this attitude re prison attacks

[BySnappyUmberFish]

After the murder of Ian Watkins and the assault and (very possible) death of Ian Huntley, social media and news articles have been flooded with comments such as 'Give that man a medal!!' 'Not all heroes wear capes!!'.
These people seem to forget that the killers are in prison for as equally heinous and despicable crimes as the aforementioned two. They have also most probably not attacked them over what they did, but over debts, drugs or just to gain some notoriety.

I am fed up of hearing comments like this.

Oh me too, OP. It brings out comments from the stupidest of people. Prisons should be safe for all inmates. Did any of these lunkheads read what his attacker is in prison for. He’s a complete monster too. Hey! Let’s hope someone else will beat the shit out of him while we’re at it!

Idiots.

Two things can be true at the same time.

I won’t be shedding any tears over Huntley but you’re completely right- it’s evil psychopaths murdering other evil psychopaths. No one deserves medals.

I don't congratulate the attacker or feel any sympathy for Ian Huntley at all. If I think about it, I do hope it hurt and he was a terrified for a while, and then acknowledge the guy who did it is also an awful human being, and if he hasn't got a whole life term then he's just added a good few more years onto his own sentence, which isn't a bad thing either.

I couldn’t care less about Huntley that doesn’t mean his attacker is a hero of any kind.

No, that’s not part of the punishment. Loss of liberty is the punishment, not random violence up to, and including death.

Pretty much this…

As this thread shows, so many people can’t hold a single coherent thought in their head at a time that, frankly, you’re on a hiding to nothing expecting them to hold two or more. These are often the same people who think nobody loves their children as much as they love theirs. It’s base, animal instinct.

Totally agree with you, OP. People enjoy the sanctimony of being anti-violence until the very moment that they can be even more sanctimonious by advocating violence.

We really aren't far from being savages, sometimes. It's a miracle we ever became civilised at all really given how many people would inflict violence on those they think deserve it, given half a chance.

You either hate violence, or you don't. You can't hate violence against some people and advocate it against other people whilst remaining morally consistent.

I don't care if he dies.

I do care if our prison system degenerates to a lawless, "survival of the fittest" jungle.

That's not a country I want to live in.

You’re conflating justice with revenge.

A murderer being locked up for life is punishment decided by a court. Random psycho prisoners attacking someone isn’t justice, it’s just more violence. And as others have said, it puts the staff at risk.

Do you really think it’s ok for justice to be meted out by a fellow inmate? If you only believe in the rule of law when it’s convenient, then you don’t really believe in it at all. A civilised society doesn’t prove it’s civilised by copying the behaviour of the worst people in it.

Celebrating murderers attacking murderers is just supporting violence.

It's just an expression of hatred and anger towards the country's most repulsive child rapists and murders.
It produces very visceral and passionate responses as people feel a strange feeling. That murder is justified. And they are happy about it. Even though it's the fact that someone was a murderer makes them think that.

No, Huntley’s attacker is abhorrent and probably an argument for the death penalty since it seems nobody is safe with him about and he will find ways to continue killing people no matter how limited his means.

He’s murdered three people, including a pregnant woman who he allegedly raped before murdering. If Huntley dies, this will just be the latest notch on the bedpost and probably not the last.

Why would anyone want to cheerlead for him?

But we live in a civilised society and if we treat even heinous criminals as animals, we are lowering our standards because of their crimes. I’m not prepared to do that.

Then there is the element of degree. If it’s ok to treat murderers and rapists like that, what about stalkers who have traumatised their victims for life? Or violent criminals who have left their victims with life changing mental and physical injuries? Or fraudsters who have taken someone’s entire life savings and left them with nothing. Who decides? For a justice system to be fair for you, it has to be fair for all.

This man decided he was better than Huntley because his victims were women rather than children. They are as heinous as each other but both are entitled to be kept safe in prison.

There was another thread about this and my view remains the same. I wouldn’t actively applaud whoever attacked Ian Huntley, but I genuinely don’t give a shit if he dies. I would feel the same if a roof collapsed on him or he had a stroke. Good bloody riddance.

I was horrified when I read the comments under the news articles. People saying that a GoFundMe should be set up for the guy who potentially killed Huntley...the guy who had murdered three people, including raping and murdering a pregnant woman!! I assume people were not thinking before they typed.

I don't think violent assault/murder is ever ok.

Deviant on deviant attack the guy didn't do it out of some moral crusade.
Every bit the beast same as Huntley.
Staff get caught up in this shit and get hurt.

I don't think the murderers are 'heroes' but I don't give a shit that awful villains are dead and the state is saved tens of thousands of pounds housing such monsters.

Obviously prison staff need to be safe and prisoner on prisoner violence is to be avoided. However, I can't regret the loss of those specific lives.

@BySnappyUmberFishits as if you are actually I’m th staff room at my work today as we had this exact conversation!!

The picture of one of theirs mother pulled me up short. I had not paid too much attention to the story to be honest but it did strike me as really unfair to have pictures of her on her way to visit him in hospital. Poor woman, not her fault her son did what he did.

Unfortunately the increasingly toxic political climate of the past decade or so has emboldened a lot of rather dim and bloodthirsty “hang ‘em and flog ‘em” types. They were always there, but now they think their unreconstructed drivel is important enough that the rest of us need to hear it. People like this don’t seem to be able to grasp the basic principles of a civilised justice system - such as every individual in the custody of the state having the right to be kept physically safe, regardless of their crime - and nor can they understand the implications for everyone else if we allow those protections to be eroded in particular cases because Bad People. It’s depressing as fuck.

I live in East London and have been told so many many times how the streets were safe when the Krays were about . Women were safe to walk the streets , the elderly didn't fear being mugged etc . You could leave your doors unlocked .I was told "Criminals took out other criminals and they will get their punishment in prison "

I went on a couple of organised walks round the area they lived . I thought "Whoa , there is a level of violence I hadn't even dreamed of "

Now consider Robert Maudsley - I won't go into his crimes on here but he is kept in solitary . And many would consider he went after those who deserved it .
Obviously the justice system thought otherwise but I am sure many will think his victims were a waste of skin and oxygen. Maybe because he admitted his crimes ? Who knows .

Ian Huntley - I won't care if he dies either . But his attacker is not a hero , no.

I feel more for their victims mothers.

@70isaLimitNotaTarget maudsley is off his trolley..the spoon🤯🤯

I was surprised she hadn't cut him off to be honest.
He wasn't thinking about the effect his crimes would have on her or anyone when he murdered Holly and Jessica.

Same as the policeman who killed Sarah. He couldn't have given a shit about Sarah, her family, his wife, his kids, his mother.
It's alot of people not to care about.
They just end up in prison for years. It's so pathetic, that they can't stop themselves.