Can't stand this attitude re prison attacks

[BySnappyUmberFish]

After the murder of Ian Watkins and the assault and (very possible) death of Ian Huntley, social media and news articles have been flooded with comments such as 'Give that man a medal!!' 'Not all heroes wear capes!!'.
These people seem to forget that the killers are in prison for as equally heinous and despicable crimes as the aforementioned two. They have also most probably not attacked them over what they did, but over debts, drugs or just to gain some notoriety.

I am fed up of hearing comments like this.

How do you think the families of Anthony Russell’s victims feel with some of the nonsense being posted about the person who ruined their lives?

Or are they not as important?

You're going to have to expand on that.

If I need to expand on it, there’s clearly no point in doing so.

How do you think they’ll feel if they read online comments saying that Russell should receive a reward or even be released?? Can you really not see why that would be offensive to them?

People need to think much more carefully about what they’re saying online.

Of course. But we can’t go back in time and undo it. The perpetrator was treated with the full force of the law by incarceration for life. That’s his punishment. I don’t give a shit about Huntley but I cannot agree that it’s OK for murders to take place in prisons.

Most prisoners are not Huntley. Most will get out at some point. Is is good or safe for society for men who have been exposed to these levels of violence on a regular basis so it becomes normalised to suddenly be back on the streets?

Fair enough.

A perfromative post. Hope you enjoyed the buzz when posting.

How the about the opinions of Anthony Russell’s victims’ families?

Do you think they should cheer him on and be glad that people have turned him into a hero suggesting a gofundme account for him after everything he’s done?

Turn it around.

Anthony Russell was an equally abhorrent individual. In fact it could be argued that his crimes were worse than Huntley’s because he murdered three people, plus an unborn baby, plus raped one of them.

So if Ian Huntley had been the one to take a weapon to him instead of the other way around should he have been applauded?

And if not, why not, given that that’s what people are doing for Russell?

If you are ok with murder taking place in prisons, you're also ok with any prisoner or staff member being at risk too.

how would you feel if holly and Jessica’s parents didn’t want to see him killed whilst in prison? What if they thought that was wrong? How would that view align with your thoughts?

I was at a speech by the mother of a little girl very publicly massacred this week. Her parents don’t want her killer beaten to death by some rapist. They want to focus on their little girls legacy

I've not posted to say the killers of men like Huntley need to be praised?

As you can tell from my answer to a pp, I'd not even clocked his name.

I was responding to something else.

I do not care if Huntley dies.

Life by the sword, die by the sword.

Yes that’s a given!

but you dodged the question

lol

people are a bit thick, don’t think things through or just post for a reaction

Careful now, that’s “performative” according to that poster.

Whilst I have zero sympathy for Huntley or Watkins, I totally agree with you OP. When we lock them up, we accept an obligation for their safety regardless of how we personally feel about them.

Ok, you didn’t yourself. But others have definitely said that sort of thing. Others have said that, even though he was a vile murderer, he had given something back to society. (Maybe he did, but that wouldn’t have been why he did it, he was just committing yet another murder.)

I actually think it would have been better if the name of the attacker hadn’t been revealed at all. We didn’t actually need to know who attacked Huntley.

And I suspect it might not have been helpful to Jessica and Holly’s families to have Huntley in the news so much. It’s just as well that he’s going to die now (I don’t disagree with that at all), it will give them a chance to properly move on with their lives, without having to hear about Huntley in the news on a regular basis.

his name would have been out through prisoners chatting to friends/family….. it would never stay secret. No chance of that

I have no opinion on this. I simply don’t care if Ian Huntley or people like him are safe in prison. I don’t care that Ian Watkins had a bad death and suffered. I don’t care that another mad man has brain damaged and killed Ian Huntley and i also don’t think men who kill little girls ‘deserve’ safety. I don’t think they deserve anything. I don’t care about the person who has done it to Huntley either.

Put the worst criminals in the same prison, make it as secure as possible so they can’t escape, take out all the prison guards and just let them all crack on.

Point taken. And obviously there will always be idiots who post dumb things online. Let’s hope that when Huntley is dead, they quickly move on to something else to spout about.

Oh dear….

Certainly not. Prison officers are in the most part, hard working decent human beings. They don't belong in the same sentence as Huntley and his ilk.

You can ‘oh dear’ me all you want. I don’t care.

I felt quite pleased when i heard the news. Still do when i think about it.

People that commit horrific crimes like this dont contemplate it though. Huntley was diagnosed by a prison psychiatrist as having a psychopathic personality - psychopaths dont feel any empathy at all. They will never ever sit down and contemplate what they've done. This idea that they feel regret or remorse is coming from people who DO feel regret and remorse- you are viewing Huntley through your own conscience but he literally doesn't have one.

I did placements in a few forensic units for my degree and I can honestly say not a single person in there took responsibility for what they did. They always blamed other people - including their victims.

So like the Colosseum meets the Thunderdome in Mad Max 3 ?

What can possibly go wrong ?